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Old 09-16-2015, 02:18 PM
 
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From my understanding this would be Colorado only, cover anyone in Colorado, whether they are paying taxes or not (Must file an income tax return) and would pretty much make Colorado a single payer system. Would still have veterans and medicare/medicaid payments. I belive they already have their signatures and it will appear on the Nov 2016 ballot.

My concerns:
How are co-payment amounts decided

How is it decided what treatments are covered (Chiro, stem cell, holistic, etc etc etc)

Exempt from TABOR. It does say that the voting members would have to approve a premium increase, but what happens in the situation where costs are much higher than premium and copay revenues and ColoradoCares is providing a lower level of service than the ACA.

All income is taxed. So if you have non-payroll income such as capital gains, dividends, rental income, etc. there ill be a 10% tax on that income minus a deduction for the taxes paid.

Provides further incentive for people paid in cash to hide income.

I'm mostly interested what big business in Colorado's opinion on it will be. Whether when they run the numbers it will save them money and make Colorado more attractive as the proponents say it will, or if their view is drastically different.

Here's some info from one of the groups promoting it:
ColoradoCareYES.co
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Old 09-16-2015, 04:36 PM
 
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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This is the first I heard of it. If it actually gets on the ballot I would study it a lot more but I think its too late for this year anyway.
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Old 09-16-2015, 08:32 PM
 
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It will be on the Nov 2016 ballot I believe.
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Old 09-17-2015, 07:54 AM
 
Location: Edgewater, CO
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This is a good summary: http://coloradocareyes.co/wp-content...ve_Summary.pdf
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Old 09-17-2015, 07:57 AM
 
Location: Western Colorado
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MORE taxes? No thank you.
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Old 09-17-2015, 09:08 AM
 
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While I'm no fan of militarized healthcare, I think that it's great that Colorado, or any other state, would try to do this... and leave the other states out of it.

Obamacare not only isn't working, but it's a one-size-fits-all gaggle that no state would have enacted on their own.

Massachusetts? Sure, they did Romneycare and it's popular opinion that it's the same thing. Not really. First, MA's plan is less than 50 pages and didn't give a single bureaucrat in MA power to change the law without legislative approval. And if Romneycare doesn't pan out and needs changes, it a. doesn't affect any other states, and b. can be changed with a vote in MA and MA only, which leaves the citizens of MA with more power to change it.

The only thing I would caution is that whenever these states try doing their own version, the ACA generally screws them out of choices and they end up bankrupting the program. Maybe CO can start taxing gasoline at $2 a gallon to make it up...
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Old 09-17-2015, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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First they need to get the signatures to even get on the ballot. Let's see if they do that.
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Old 09-17-2015, 01:42 PM
 
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Originally Posted by hawkbill View Post
From my understanding this would be Colorado only, cover anyone in Colorado, whether they are paying taxes or not (Must file an income tax return) and would pretty much make Colorado a single payer system. Would still have veterans and medicare/medicaid payments. I belive they already have their signatures and it will appear on the Nov 2016 ballot.

My concerns:
How are co-payment amounts decided

How is it decided what treatments are covered (Chiro, stem cell, holistic, etc etc etc)

Exempt from TABOR. It does say that the voting members would have to approve a premium increase, but what happens in the situation where costs are much higher than premium and copay revenues and ColoradoCares is providing a lower level of service than the ACA.

All income is taxed. So if you have non-payroll income such as capital gains, dividends, rental income, etc. there ill be a 10% tax on that income minus a deduction for the taxes paid.

Provides further incentive for people paid in cash to hide income.

I'm mostly interested what big business in Colorado's opinion on it will be. Whether when they run the numbers it will save them money and make Colorado more attractive as the proponents say it will, or if their view is drastically different.

Here's some info from one of the groups promoting it:
ColoradoCareYES.co
Deal breaker right there.

This state gets dumber everyday.
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Old 09-17-2015, 02:10 PM
 
Location: Edgewater, CO
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I would like to have it put on the ballot, if nothing more than to start discussing ways we can fix some of the health care issues at a state level.
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Old 09-17-2015, 02:19 PM
 
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I would like to have it put on the ballot, if nothing more than to start discussing ways we can fix some of the health care issues at a state level.
I thought Obama fixed them with the ACA?

I see this as another plow to buy more liberal votes. So I have a good job with benefits, I pay roughly $200/mo for my families health care. Say this passes, I still pay my companies bill and I have to pay the CO health care though a massive tax increase. I'm sure I have the choice to opt out of my companies coverage for the state, but no freakin way!

Things like this **** me off. My wife has family members that made terrible life choices and have no way of supporting themselves. Measures like this are just more reward for bad behavior.
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