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Old 09-10-2016, 08:30 AM
 
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Hell No...if it passes I'm putting my house up for sale and moving. Ridiculous...we already have enough problems.

 
Old 09-10-2016, 10:47 PM
 
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"What's deceptive about it? CO will have arguably the highest taxes on the individual in the nation."

And, if that is the case, CO will also have the lowest insurance costs, the lowest uninsured rates of all fifty states, and will be a state where you do not have to pay high insurance costs with high deductibles, for insurance that actually is insurance and not some junk policy.

"Instead of making me pay for your health care, why don't you try to better your position to have better company insurance or start your own business and buy your own?"

I am sure that you do not mind if I pay for your health care and you do not pay it back in return, because that is what I am doing a lot of the time. You and I pay taxes for the same roads we drive over. I do not tell you to "better yourself" in order to use these roads. We use them together. That's what ColoradoCare is.

And why is it that one should have to "better their position," whatever that means, in order to be able to get health care when they need it. What if that better position is taken out from underneath them? What if the company stops offering health insurance, or switches to a plan that is impossible because it has a $10,000 deductible and you are already "bettered yourself" in the company and are going as far as you can go? What if you go out to get health insurance for your business and its employees, only to find that the price just went up?

All of these scenarios have happened to me. When it is your turn, Good luck.
 
Old 09-10-2016, 10:54 PM
 
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I can already imagine unemployed people from around the country moving to Colorado for "free" healthcare. No thank you. I hope this piece of junk amendment gets defeated.

So you would keep going with the 500 or so coloradans who die annually for lack of access to health care, the medical bankruptcies (medical debt causes over 60% of bankruptcies), and etc. because you are afraid of "unemployed people from around the country moving to Colorado for "free" healthcare," even though this only conjecture?

Please, do not call yourself a liberal.
 
Old 09-10-2016, 10:56 PM
 
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Ridiculous...we already have enough problems.

Yes, and ColoradoCare would fix at least one of those major problems.
 
Old 09-10-2016, 11:05 PM
 
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Ridiculous...we already have enough problems.

Yes, and ColoradoCare would fix at least one of those major problems.
You don't know that, it could just be making 1 huge problem. I would step back from the Govt kool Aid.
 
Old 09-10-2016, 11:09 PM
 
Location: Aurora, CO
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Ridiculous...we already have enough problems.

Yes, and ColoradoCare would fix at least one of those major problems.
I agree with you here. Housing prices will level off and possibly drop considerably as producers leave the state and deadbeats looking for a handout move in and take their place.
 
Old 09-10-2016, 11:13 PM
 
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"What's deceptive about it? CO will have arguably the highest taxes on the individual in the nation."

And, if that is the case, CO will also have the lowest insurance costs, the lowest uninsured rates of all fifty states, and will be a state where you do not have to pay high insurance costs with high deductibles, for insurance that actually is insurance and not some junk policy.

"Instead of making me pay for your health care, why don't you try to better your position to have better company insurance or start your own business and buy your own?"

I am sure that you do not mind if I pay for your health care and you do not pay it back in return, because that is what I am doing a lot of the time. You and I pay taxes for the same roads we drive over. I do not tell you to "better yourself" in order to use these roads. We use them together. That's what ColoradoCare is.

And why is it that one should have to "better their position," whatever that means, in order to be able to get health care when they need it. What if that better position is taken out from underneath them? What if the company stops offering health insurance, or switches to a plan that is impossible because it has a $10,000 deductible and you are already "bettered yourself" in the company and are going as far as you can go? What if you go out to get health insurance for your business and its employees, only to find that the price just went up?

All of these scenarios have happened to me. When it is your turn, Good luck.
Well...I have 2 degrees, served in the military, ran my own businesses, college athlete....I worked my a$$ off to be attractive to companies and have the ability to control my destiny. If someone chooses to flip burgers for a living and raise a family off that..thats on them. If you think you can just wake up and have everything handed to you...move to Europe and tell me how much better it is there. You sound like a liberal so how far have you gotten from one of the most famous liberal politicians?

"Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country." Every Liberal wants more and more from the country and the citizens.

Roads and health care are 2 completely different things. Yeah everyone uses a road, but you choose what you want with your health. I shouldn't have to pay for someone who decides to eat cake every night and drink/smoke themselves to death.

I can guarantee you that people that have the ability to leave CO will if CO Care passes. I can also guarantee you there will be a mass of people running to this state that will be lower income brackets sucking off the system. All that will be left will be the 1% and top govt officials and a hoard in this state.
 
Old 09-11-2016, 05:00 AM
 
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Ridiculous...we already have enough problems.

Yes, and ColoradoCare would fix at least one of those major problems.
Are you kidding? No it would create more. Just what this state needs higher taxes and more deadbeats moving here.
 
Old 09-11-2016, 07:32 AM
 
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What's deceptive about it? CO will have arguably the highest taxes on the individual in the nation.

Instead of making me pay for your health care, why dont you try to better your position to have better company insurance or start your own business and buy your own?
What was deceptive in the ad I saw was they didn't mention anything about health care. A later one does. Reminds me of the ads that Twin River Casino from Rhode Island ran last year. All they talked about was revenue for Aurora and nothing about it being about approving building a casino.

Re health care, in my case, I'm an under 65 retiree, so I have no other option besides buying individual health insurance.
 
Old 09-11-2016, 11:11 PM
 
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"You don't know that, it could just be making 1 huge problem. I would step back from the Govt kool Aid."


And you do not know it either, so perhaps you should "step back from the corporate kool aid." The evidence, however, does support the side I am on and we can check out universal-care systems to see their costs versus ours and what they get versus the high deductible policies we get stuck with.
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