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Old 04-29-2016, 11:02 AM
 
Location: Garden City, KS
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Are people expected to start spilling over into the neighboring states? Kansas, Nebraska, etc? What are the forecasts on that? I'm curious since property values are so high already in CO and only seem to be getting higher. Surely at some point people will start leaving for the lower cost of living of the neighboring states... Right?

 
Old 04-29-2016, 11:37 AM
 
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A somewhat bigger share may go to Kansas, Nebraska & Oklahoma and Montana, Wyoming, Utah, Idaho & New Mexico, if the employers select to go there for lower land costs, taxes and way better employee housing value (which they might care about as a way to keep wages down)... but they'll bolt on more subdivisions to Denver metro going north, south and eventually further east too until they use up the water going to agriculture now. Recent history says most of the growth is being added to the big metros. If the best employers and employees keep wanting to live in CO, they probably will, mostly, until CO gets closer to west coast pricing.

The growth that goes to Kansas and Nebraska appears to be going strongly to Lawrence KS and Lincoln NE.

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Old 04-29-2016, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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Without jobs and water, no, population isn't spilling over anywhere. Populations centers in the west are hubs of the economy to such a a degree that one cannot live any further than a couple hours away from where the jobs and infrastructure exist. I can't see western Kansas and Nebraska, eastern Colorado, Wyoming, or Utah supporting any sort of population density like what is even remotely seen in the mid-west and east coast areas. The environment simply won't support the development required to created population density, and there is no reason for jobs to develop without that.
 
Old 04-29-2016, 12:55 PM
 
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It is expected Elbert County will start to fill up with some of the growth that can't fit fast enough in the existing urban areas. Adams County should end up with more too eventually. Pueblo or "Pueblo North" will probably get some more, eventually. All told, probably half a million to a million more per decade. As usual, for a long time past (since 1950) and into the foreseeable future. Already pretty close to 500,000 in first 5 years of this decade (425,000).

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Old 04-29-2016, 01:27 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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Without jobs and water, no, population isn't spilling over anywhere. Populations centers in the west are hubs of the economy to such a a degree that one cannot live any further than a couple hours away from where the jobs and infrastructure exist. I can't see western Kansas and Nebraska, eastern Colorado, Wyoming, or Utah supporting any sort of population density like what is even remotely seen in the mid-west and east coast areas. The environment simply won't support the development required to created population density, and there is no reason for jobs to develop without that.
This. OP, do you have any idea what's going on in the Bay Area? People who were raised there thought it was "full" already back in the 80's. Few people are spilling out; rather, hordes are still spilling IN, even though traffic is gridlocked nearly all day now on all the freeways, housing costs have surpassed those in NYC, and water is iffy, at best. Still, they come. Those with any job flexibility, like working from home via internet, are going to WA and OR, but the numbers flooding in greatly outweigh those that depart.

In short: you ain't seen nothin' yet, you Colorodans. Better hope Microsquish, Google or Amazon don't decide to open a branch in Denver. "Growth" has become a 4-letter word on the California forums.

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Old 04-29-2016, 01:35 PM
 
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Google is scheduled to ramp up fast in Boulder and is expected to become a top 10 Google location. Amazon opened a facility in Aurora a few days ago. Microsoft has some level of presence in Denver but not sure how big.
 
Old 04-29-2016, 01:38 PM
 
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If you think Colorado growth is busting at the seams now and with the current projections, just wait until Colorado Cares initiative passes this fall and the floodgates will really open.
 
Old 04-29-2016, 02:03 PM
 
Location: Garden City, KS
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This. OP, do you have any idea what's going on in the Bay Area? People who were raised there thought it was "full" already back in the 80's. Few people are spilling out; rather, hordes are still spilling IN, even though traffic is gridlocked nearly all day now on all the freeways, housing costs have surpassed those in NYC, and water is iffy, at best. Still, they come. Those with any job flexibility, like working from home via internet, are going to WA and OR, but the numbers flooding in greatly outweigh those that depart.

In short: you ain't seen nothin' yet, you Colorodans. Better hope Microsquish, Google or Amazon don't decide to open a branch in Denver. "Growth" has become a 4-letter word on the California forums.

Well yeah, you've touched on what I've been hearing about what's going on in CO. I know people who are from there and who are already complaining about the ever-increasing property taxes, not to mention the traffic and other things that go along with population growth. Then I also know from having tried to find jobs there with hopes of moving there myself, that it's quite a competitive market. So I just assumed that this would ultimately lead to there being a bit of an exodus out of the state, as the ones who've been there all along might not be interested in all the growth happening there. Shows what I know!



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If you think Colorado growth is busting at the seams now and with the current projections, just wait until Colorado Cares initiative passes this fall and the floodgates will really open.
What is Colorado Care?
 
Old 04-29-2016, 02:10 PM
 
Location: Aurora, CO
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What is Colorado Care?
A constitutional amendment to enact universal healthcare at the state level to the tune of a $25-$38 billion tax increase.
 
Old 04-29-2016, 02:11 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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Google is scheduled to ramp up fast in Boulder and is expected to become a top 10 Google location. Amazon opened a facility in Aurora a few days ago. Microsoft has some level of presence in Denver but not sure how big.
Oops. The Pandora's Box has already been opened. Well, the inevitable growth should be planned for wisely; freeways should be widened, new public transit systems designed and rights-of-way acquired for them while land is still available. No one anticipated the runaway growth in the Bay Area, so there's no room left for dedicated bus lanes, new rapid transit corridors, etc. Don't let the nightmare happen to you!
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