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Old 07-10-2016, 04:19 PM
 
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Everyone seems to hate Californians and refer to Colorado as Calirado

I'm a native Californian that was pushed out of California when all the folks from the rust-belt states (IL, IN, OH, PA, NJ, NY, CT, etc...) moved out to California and drove up home prices, crowding, and very liberal politics.

So just curious to know how many other "native" Californians are on here because in the 20 years I've lived here I've only met 7 other "native" Californians. But I meet a lot of folks that moved from the Northeast and Great Lakes region to California and then came here to Colorado.

Like I said, just curious since we're supposedly destroying Colorado

 
Old 07-10-2016, 04:53 PM
 
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Halfbacks are people who move a great distance then backtrack halfway to where they came from. States like NC, SC, GA, TN are full of halfbacks, people from New York and New England who moved to Florida, didn't like it, and moved halfway back north.

Sounds like COLO has some halfbacks too, those who moved from the Great Lakes area to California then went halfway back by moving to COLO.

Pay no attention to whiners claiming that so and so are ruining this or that state or city; mostly that's just sour grapes talking and if they really start bashing and flaming then I step in as moderator and lower the boom on them.
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Old 07-10-2016, 10:02 PM
 
Location: We_tside PNW (Columbia Gorge) / CO / SA TX / Thailand
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I can think of about 200 current CO residents that immigrated from CA. Including over 20 of my inlaws (still coming to CO). + I worked for a Fortune 50 that is CA based, but was 3rd largest employer in CO (pre NAFTA), post NAFTA = lots of vacant prime industrial space, and 20,000 under employed previous employees remaining in CO. (Large % were from CA)

I was displaced FROM Colorado in 1979, due to Californication of property values making my home place ranch unaffordable. (It is now a county recreation park, so my Colorado county is not even getting the tax revenue I was paying them 40 yrs ago).

There was a very simple solution... Anyone leaving CA should have been allowed to ONLY take the average USA home value out of CA, the regionally escalated valuations above that should have remained invested within the CA (or other) region) . Then.... CA would be well funded today, and the western states would have retained livable, sustainable property values. (And I would not be currently paying $14,400 annual property taxes on a shack I built for under $100k in my 'other' western state.). Just think how wealthy and happy the previous CA residents now in CO would be today if they were getting $10k / month rents on their retained CA equity, and living and paying taxes on a <$100k nice Colorado home.! And.... Bonus... the longterm residents who helped build Colorado greatness, would have been able to stay in Colorado, and enjoy the homes, farms, and ranches they invested generations of sweat equity to build and maintain. And reap benefits from the efforts they spent to grow good schools and communities. (BTW, it is very costly and tramatic to leave a family farm / ranch that your forefathers died to create, and as a kid / grandkid you slaved 16 hrs / day to assist in that effort.

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Old 07-10-2016, 11:17 PM
 
Location: Blah
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Everyone seems to hate Californians and refer to Colorado as Calirado

I'm a native Californian that was pushed out of California when all the folks from the rust-belt states (IL, IN, OH, PA, NJ, NY, CT, etc...) moved out to California and drove up home prices, crowding, and very liberal politics.

So just curious to know how many other "native" Californians are on here because in the 20 years I've lived here I've only met 7 other "native" Californians. But I meet a lot of folks that moved from the Northeast and Great Lakes region to California and then came here to Colorado.

Like I said, just curious since we're supposedly destroying Colorado
You must date back to 1960's California or something to remember it before it was Liberal. I understand what you mean by "Native" but that is a relative term. How many generations are we talking? You see a lot of "Native" Coloradans complaining about too many people moving to Colorado. The funny thing is, most of those people probably don't date back further than 1st or 2nd generation. Their still "Natives" but their parents or grandparents are transplants.

Anyhow, I read that 49% of all new Colorado arrivals are Californians and 15% are from New York. I can't imagine those people checking their political ideology at the border. So who knows what the future holds for Colorado.
 
Old 07-11-2016, 05:47 AM
 
Location: Eastern Colorado
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You must date back to 1960's California or something to remember it before it was Liberal. I understand what you mean by "Native" but that is a relative term. How many generations are we talking? You see a lot of "Native" Coloradans complaining about too many people moving to Colorado. The funny thing is, most of those people probably don't date back further than 1st or 2nd generation. Their still "Natives" but their parents or grandparents are transplants.

Anyhow, I read that 49% of all new Colorado arrivals are Californians and 15% are from New York. I can't imagine those people checking their political ideology at the border. So who knows what the future holds for Colorado.
What I usually run across are people who claim to be natives because they have been here 10 or 15 or even 20 years and now constantly complain about all the people moving here. My family has been in Colorado since before it was a state, the constant growth has never been a topic of discussion around my family, this new explosion has been but it is more about the prices people are willing to pay to come here than the people.
 
Old 07-11-2016, 07:50 AM
 
Location: The Springs
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When I graduated from high school, most of us wanted to move to California. It was still "The Golden State".

Some folks who are moving here are native Colorado refugees coming home.

Many "Californians" I meet weren't originally from there, but ended up there years ago only to see the quality of life deteriorate to the point they couldn't take it anymore.
 
Old 07-11-2016, 08:02 AM
 
Location: Washington Park, Denver
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I can think of about 200 current CO residents that immigrated from CA. Including over 20 of my inlaws (still coming to CO). + I worked for a Fortune 50 that is CA based, but was 3rd largest employer in CO (pre NAFTA), post NAFTA = lots of vacant prime industrial space, and 20,000 under employed previous employees remaining in CO. (Large % were from CA)

I was displaced FROM Colorado in 1979, due to Californication of property values making my home place ranch unaffordable. (It is now a county recreation park, so my Colorado county is not even getting the tax revenue I was paying them 40 yrs ago).

There was a very simple solution... Anyone leaving CA should have been allowed to ONLY take the average USA home value out of CA, the regionally escalated valuations above that should have remained invested within the CA (or other) region) . Then.... CA would be well funded today, and the western states would have retained livable, sustainable property values. (And I would not be currently paying $14,400 annual property taxes on a shack I built for under $100k in my 'other' western state.). Just think how wealthy and happy the previous CA residents now in CO would be today if they were getting $10k / month rents on their retained CA equity, and living and paying taxes on a <$100k nice Colorado home.! And.... Bonus... the longterm residents who helped build Colorado greatness, would have been able to stay in Colorado, and enjoy the homes, farms, and ranches they invested generations of sweat equity to build and maintain. And reap benefits from the efforts they spent to grow good schools and communities. (BTW, it is very costly and tramatic to leave a family farm / ranch that your forefathers died to create, and as a kid / grandkid you slaved 16 hrs / day to assist in that effort.
Massive government intervention into the free market? How socialist of you.
 
Old 07-11-2016, 09:17 AM
 
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Of the transplants I've encountered in northern CO, most seem to be either from the north (WI, IL, MN, OH), or CA.

Wherever they're from, they're more than happy to throw down outrageous money for homes, and will buy even the ugliest and blandest of homes. Needless to say, this encourages the growth of overpriced cheap-looking homes, crammed together on tiny lots.

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Old 07-11-2016, 12:48 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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Anyhow, I read that 49% of all new Colorado arrivals are Californians and 15% are from New York. I can't imagine those people checking their political ideology at the border. So who knows what the future holds for Colorado.
49% seems awfully high. While I would agree that that California may be the transplant leader currently, I'd say Texas is not far behind and may be the bigger overall contributor over time.
 
Old 07-11-2016, 12:55 PM
 
Location: Blah
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What I usually run across are people who claim to be natives because they have been here 10 or 15 or even 20 years and now constantly complain about all the people moving here. My family has been in Colorado since before it was a state, the constant growth has never been a topic of discussion around my family, this new explosion has been but it is more about the prices people are willing to pay to come here than the people.
Interesting. I wonder if that group is your older people pushing retirement age? Those people probably find progress annoying as hell. Reminds me of my mother. We're Native Texans by 3-4 generations. Anyhow, mother lives in the county. Growing up we didn't have a lot of close neighbors...everyone had a few acres between and lots of open fields etc. This was a small town, you could cross it in about 15 minutes or less during rush hour. Anyways, the main industry is oil and gas and growing up oil was worthless. Then as you know, oil skyrocketed about 10~ years ago. When this happened, the population exploded! They couldn't build neighborhoods and hotels fast enough. My mother went from having hardly any neighbors to being surrounded. She absolutely hates it! It's weird, some are living in RV's and trailers while others built larger 3,000-5,000sqft homes. This has caused an increase in property taxes and she lives on a fixed income.
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