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Old 05-24-2017, 11:57 PM
 
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I live in WY and everyone does bullet casting, Lead is hard to find. Has anyone had any experience in Denver finding lead?
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Old 05-25-2017, 07:48 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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Try Mcmaster
https://www.mcmaster.com/#lead-ingots/=17s2qfo
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Old 05-25-2017, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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I thought lead bullets were illegal, but I guess they are not

Interior secretary repeals ban on lead bullets | TheHill

Screw the eagles, thank you electoral prez D'ump.
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Old 05-25-2017, 12:02 PM
 
Location: lakewood
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you realize that the lead bullet ban was not ever actually in play?


and that the impact of expended lead bullets, as far as "contaminating" soils, and predatory or scavenging avian and ground species has been shown to be a non-issue?


this proposed ban was pure posturing. the science behind the ban is considered significantly flawed in methodology...
http://www.huntfortruth.org/science/...ific-opinions/
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Old 05-25-2017, 12:05 PM
 
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if you really want to protect the eagles, hawks, and other raptor species -- do away with the wind mill farms


Windfarms kill 10-20 times more than previously thought | Save the Eagles International


but folks don't want to talk about this issue... do they?
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Old 05-25-2017, 01:12 PM
 
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Lead poisoning is the number one issue with California Condor health, so it does affect some species detrimentally. Condors and Lead
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Old 05-25-2017, 01:58 PM
 
Location: lakewood
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sure, but where is the lead coming from? Most studies I've seen seem to indicate that it is not from gut piles or spent ammunition....



California Condor | Hunt For Truth
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Since the designation of the California condor as endangered and the intervention by the Condor Recovery Program, there has been a significant controversy over the alleged poisoning and mortality of the condors, claimed to be linked to the ingestion of lead. While some researchers maintain that lead ammunition from gutpiles or game carrion left in the field by hunters is the primary source of lead exposure to condors, there is compelling evidence of alternative sources of lead in the environment. Such alternative sources of lead include paint chips from old buildings, legacy leaded gasoline in soils, mining wastes, old insecticides and microtrash.


One such noted exposure to an alternative source of lead in the environment was discovered at Pinnacles National Monument, where condors # 317 and 318 were observed ingesting lead paint fragments from the North Chalone Fire Lookout Tower. In turn, these parents fed the regurgitated lead paint fragments to their fledgling (# 550). Condors # 317, 318 and 550 were all tested and found to have high blood-lead levels, while # 550 had to be evacuated to the Los Angeles Zoo for intense treatment for lead poisoning.


The first condor to be identified as a lead-related mortality was Condor # 19 in March of 1984. According to the condor’s medical file, no forensic analysis was performed on a 7-8mm metallic fragment reportedly recovered from the “gizzard,” though necropsy personnel reported being able to cut the fragment with a metal scalpel.


Rarely, if ever, has an actual projectile fragment been found in the digestive tract of a California condor. However, objects that were thought to be projectile fragments were subsequently found to be pieces of gravel or a “woody” substance, not from ammunition.


Hunt for Truth has discovered that many of these researchers “cherry picked” this information, deleting it and often refusing to present the underlying information to scientific peer review, policy makers and the public at large. This activity by the researchers calls their very claims and conclusions into serious question.
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Old 05-25-2017, 02:34 PM
 
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sure, but where is the lead coming from? Most studies I've seen seem to indicate that it is not from gut piles or spent ammunition....



California Condor | Hunt For Truth
Well if we quit using lead for a few years and used the readily available non-lead ammunition we could know with much more certainty. I propose that experiment.
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Old 05-25-2017, 04:59 PM
 
Location: lakewood
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Well if we quit using lead for a few years and used the readily available non-lead ammunition we could know with much more certainty. I propose that experiment.
perhaps we should work on existing lead paint chips and other documented sources first;
instead of "experimenting" with "ideas" that "could help some" maybe...


anyhow, have a great night
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