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Old 07-11-2017, 04:32 PM
 
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Mike - I thought we didn't do politics here.

Anyway, since you started, Obamacare is a disaster. My premium has gone up 20%/year since it started (Denver metro), and the choices are fewer and fewer each year. Wouldn't it be great to be in a business where the gov't mandates everyone buys your product, with no controls and little competition? I really haven't been paying attention to the plan under consideration, and I try not to waste my time looking at all the political BS, pork, and corruption in our country.
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Old 07-11-2017, 07:09 PM
 
Location: CO/UT/AZ/NM Catch me if you can!
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Mike - I thought we didn't do politics here.

Anyway, since you started, Obamacare is a disaster. My premium has gone up 20%/year since it started (Denver metro), and the choices are fewer and fewer each year. Wouldn't it be great to be in a business where the gov't mandates everyone buys your product, with no controls and little competition? I really haven't been paying attention to the plan under consideration, and I try not to waste my time looking at all the political BS, pork, and corruption in our country.
How very noble of you. Therefore, you shouldn't care about Cory Gardner's whereabouts one way or the other. Please accept my deepest sympathies about your 20% premium increase. There are millions of Coloradans who are facing a future with no healthcare at all, and we are quite concerned. Maybe you and noblesse oblige would feel more at home on some other thread.
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Old 07-11-2017, 08:55 PM
 
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...Gardner needs to take his turn sitting on the dunk seat in the 'drown the clown' booth of our political circus.
LOL. Who made up that rule? He most certainly does not have to subject himself to the disrespectful antics of his opponents. And when the Tea Party pulled their crybaby antics at public forums, opposition politicians stopped doing their town hall meetings too.

Listen people. We live in a republican (electoral) democracy. Politicians cannot possibly hear from all of us. These town hall forums are just dog and pony shows. We have other elected officials, from dog catcher on up to state officials. When Gardner or Bennett want to know what is on the minds of folks in Larimer County, they can speak to the mayor(s), city councilmen, county commissioners, state reps, state senators, the governor, and, yes, the dog catcher (we need a single payer veterinary system). There are also numerous community groups they can speak with. With all that is available, they can get a good, diverse idea of what we expect from them. Speaking with a few citizens at some town hall meeting doesn't do anything. They are a complete waste of time.

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Old 07-12-2017, 05:49 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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I normally ignore politics. But this Republican tax cut bill mis-named as a health care bill impacts too many people who are the most fragile. I happen to have two distant family members who are 100% disabled and totally dependent on Medicaid for life.

When people see that their life is threatened, they justifiably become upset and angry.

Here is a detailed non partisan analysis of the bill

Who Gains and Who Loses under the Better Care Reconciliation Act | Full Report | Urban Institute

In what world does it benefit anybody except those who own the Republican party?

Cory Gardner, like it or not represents all the people of Colorado. He needs to present his position on this bill. If he is afraid to do that, he should be replaced.
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Old 07-12-2017, 01:25 PM
 
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Cory Gardner, like it or not represents all the people of Colorado. He needs to present his position on this bill. If he is afraid to do that, he should be replaced.
As far as I can tell, Cory Gardner doesn't have any positions that are "his". As far as I can determine so far, "his" positions are always just whatever is the "party line". He doesn't seem to think or do for himself or his constituents as far as I can tell.
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Old 07-12-2017, 01:27 PM
 
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As far as I can tell, Cory Gardner doesn't have any positions that are "his". As far as I can determine so far, "his" positions are always just whatever is the "party line". He doesn't seem to think or do for himself or his constituents as far as I can tell.
He has more important things to do, like decide who can use which restroom.....
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Old 07-12-2017, 01:28 PM
 
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He presented his positions during the campaign, and we elected him to pursue those positions. He wants to repeal the disastrous ObamaCare law, and replace it with something that will actually reduce costs to those of us that already had quality, affordable insurance prior to ACA (90% of us). He does NOT support the existing replacement senate bill (so much for doing what the GOP tells him to do). He wants to keep some provisions of ACA (medicaid expansion for low income and the disabled), and ditch the rest. He does not support a single payer system. You can look up all of this without subjecting him to the verbal abuse that occurs at these "town bawl" meetings.
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Old 07-12-2017, 01:38 PM
 
Location: Denver CO
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"We" did not all elect him to pursue his positions and it would behoove him to remember that he represents ALL Coloradans, not just the ones who voted for him. I often disagree with Michael Bennet because I find him too moderate and not representative of my point of view, but I think he takes his role as a representative of all the citizens of our state more seriously than a Republican ideologue like Gardner.
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Old 07-12-2017, 04:43 PM
 
Location: Washington Park, Denver
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He presented his positions during the campaign, and we elected him to pursue those positions. He wants to repeal the disastrous ObamaCare law, and replace it with something that will actually reduce costs to those of us that already had quality, affordable insurance prior to ACA (90% of us). He does NOT support the existing replacement senate bill (so much for doing what the GOP tells him to do). He wants to keep some provisions of ACA (medicaid expansion for low income and the disabled), and ditch the rest. He does not support a single payer system. You can look up all of this without subjecting him to the verbal abuse that occurs at these "town bawl" meetings.
He stated he won't vote for the current GOP senate bill? When??? All I heard from him is that he is carefully analyzing the bill and has concerns. That's political speak for I don't want to take a public position. He's done this before, but always votes party lines.
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Old 07-12-2017, 06:14 PM
 
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Disabled people staged a slumber party in Gardner's Denver office the other night, refusing to leave until he speaks to them. In COLO SPGS some protesters staged a filibuster and talked to his staff for seven hours.

He's nowhere to be found.
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