07-23-2017, 10:56 AM
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Hello,
good thing I found this forum. There seem to be many similar threads. But maybe some of you can help me out with some advice as to my particular case.
I would like to first quickly introduce myself. I am a fairly recent university graduate and a USA and Germany dual citizen. I got both my bachelor's and my master's degree in geosciences from two of the best universities in Germany. My grades are very solid.
I have been working a career level position with a large German environmental consulting firm for a short while now. However, I do feel a little homesick for the States. The fact that I feel that I could likely be making a little better money there doesn't help. Also, things aren’t going very well in Germany overall. But I am not here to discuss politics and economics of Europe.
I have family in the south. My plan was to just head there, stay with them and look for work in that area.
However, I did some research and found out that Colorado is doing rather well economically. Furthermore, Colorado has beautiful landscape which I fell in love with. I also like low population density and a small-town lifestyle. So now I am thinking about just going out there with 4 or 5k saved up and take *some* job to get money going and start looking for an adequate position then.
I would be perfectly fine doing the environmental sector again, or perhaps development geology or even mining, if that becomes a thing again. I also would love to work for the park services. They do have quite a few national forests in Colorado.
So now my question to you coloradians: Yay or nay? If yay, which cities do you recommend? Especially, which of the cities in the western part have some job opportunities? If the front range, where best to go there?
I really appreciate any input. It would be very valuable to my decision-making process.
Best regards from Germany,
Odenwald
07-23-2017, 12:20 PM
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I have family in the south. My plan was to just head there, stay with them and look for work in that area.
South of WHERE?
Colorado? if so WHERE? (If in So CO, look for jobs in Northern New Mexico) Colorado 'outdoor' / environmental jobs will have lots of applicants and competition.
South of USA?, if so where?
Environmental jobs... look at USAjobs.com (Government agencies)
I would pursue WY and Alaska (Beautiful and adventure energy states with better paying jobs and no state income tax)
If young (<age32) NZ or Australia
If possible Canada (USA is very EXPENSIVE for Healthcare, if you can find it...)
07-23-2017, 01:47 PM
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Thank you for your answer StealthRabbit.
By the south I mean *the* south. As in the area which can be correlated with the former confederacy.
I am asking the coloradians where in Colorado one should go and why. And I am not interested in New Mexico at this point.
Of course I have looked at internet job-boards.
Thanks for the tip with Wyoming and Alaska. I will check them out. But doesn't Alaska have a relatively high unemployment rate?
I know American healthcare. I am American...
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07-23-2017, 01:58 PM
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Colorado is a great place, but if I were to work in the environmental business this is not the time to be in the USA since our idiot in chief just flushed our membership in the Paris agreements. I'd stay in Germany where the beer is awesome, you can take a train everywhere, and the environment is respected a lot more. IMO the great opportunities for environmental types is China, who desperately need all the help they can get. Same for India, but I'd go with China.
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07-23-2017, 02:03 PM
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Hey hey guys.
Don't focus on the environmental think too much...
By the way, Germany really isn't as great as a lot of people back in the states believe it is. But like I said, I didn't want to talk about politics in here.
If I can get some good info about colorado, even if it is just what locals have to say about my idea about going there, then you will help me to the max.
07-23-2017, 02:32 PM
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Colorado has very high population density in the populated areas where the jobs are. There are not many small towns that have access to jobs.
07-23-2017, 02:41 PM
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There is a shift in D.C. but opportunities in the geosciences should still be pretty good. Look at job sites. Based on what you said, look particularly at Grand Junction, Montrose, maybe Craig. Possibly Durango. I'd also check Sheridan & Cody WY.
I guess I should ask what "small town" means to you. Under 25,000? 5k? 2k? It varies for folks. Much under 25k, professional jobs get scarce, usually. Places like Meeker & Rangely will have a few. Too small for most though, but maybe ok for you? In general too big might be the safer error over too small, for most. In "too big", you can move to outskirts. In "too small" you have to move completely.
Move to south near family, get U.S. work credentials, save more, take scouting trips to West would be safer than move now. But see what what you can get and visit before you commit.
Do any of these interest you?
http://www.indeed.com/m/jobs?q=Geology&l=Colorado
An option that few would think of is working for a tribe with energy or mining resources. This is one of the most successful
http://www.rwpc.us/
I have known folks who worked for them, for awhile. Opportunities, issues & challenges. No current geoscience openings but over time there should be.
A possible niche for you would be advising on purchase of German (or European) mining / drilling equipment or geodata & geo exploration tech & services. If you have GIS computer skills or remote sensing ecperience there are a lot of spread out opportunities in government, business & universities.
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07-23-2017, 03:04 PM
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However, I did some research and found out that Colorado is doing rather well economically. Furthermore, Colorado has beautiful landscape which I fell in love with. I also like low population density and a small-town lifestyle. So now I am thinking about just going out there with 4 or 5k saved up and take *some* job to get money going and start looking for an adequate position then. 2 - 3 months MAX, bring $10k or come with a JOB.
I would be perfectly fine doing the environmental sector again, or perhaps development geology or even mining, if that becomes a thing again. I also would love to work for the park services. They do have quite a few national forests in Colorado.
So now my question to you coloradians: Yay or nay? If yay, which cities do you recommend? Especially, which of the cities in the western part have some job opportunities? If the front range, where best to go there?
I really appreciate any input. It would be very valuable to my decision-making process.
It's becoming Pretty clear you have your mind made up.
30 yrs in CO and 10 yrs there in engineering (30+ elsewhere) taught me to look (move) elsewhere, tho I had some friends (US Veterans) who were able to get and retain decent, but not superb CO environmental jobs.
Track where the grads from Colorado School of Mines are going for employment, that will illustrate the job opportunities, and best routes forward. There are plenty of environmental grads who prefer to stay in CO. Hopefully you can join them.
As an American, you certainly know the Geo job opportunities and spectacular beauty / adventure of Northern NM. (certainly rivals CO without the zillion people to share it with) But if you want Colorado, then... say COLORADO ONLY!!! Answers will be more concise than implying that as a recent relocating grad you are open to other options.
Most C-D posters are front range centric, and that is not where the best jobs in your field will be. Nor where you will find THIS
"I also like low population density and a small-town lifestyle." .
if a job, 'Colorado beauty (or whatever you fell in love with
'), and low population density is the plan, then you certainly can target those few areas that will have jobs. The web will best show you where these positions are
I also would love to work for the park services. They do have quite a few national forests in Colorado. as well as contract services in Geo Development.
My experience in engineering fields is that the good jobs go to insiders, lots of pressure on the few jobs in Colorado, and people will work for less money to stay there. Thus many of my CO Eng Grads went to WY, AK, SD, ND and international assignments. Most would work ~10 yrs at 2-3x the wage and 'retire' to WY or SD. (no income tax, nice terrain).
07-23-2017, 03:09 PM
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Chance of working for the park service are slim to none. Seriously, many Americans are outdoor types who would love to have those jobs. Many governmental jobs are being phased out as part of "austerity".
If you haven't lived in the U.S. in the last six to eight months, then you don't know what's going on. Yes, you can read about the U.S. in overseas news, but it's not the same as understanding what is going on here.
I am e-mailed regularly by a German friend (we used to work together twenty years ago). She is native German, returned to Germany about 15 years ago, and is happily remarried and enjoying Germany. One of our most recent e-mail exchanges was about the riots in Hamburg inspired by the G20 meeting. She concurs that Germany has its problems but she is happy to be there and not here (esp. in light of the current situation in the U.S.). I don't want to discuss politics either, but it has a bearing only almost every dimension of our lives. C'est la vie . . .
I suspect you don't really understand U.S. healthcare. If you had insurance as a student or through a company, then you may not be acquainted with ACA. At present, everything is uncertain. We Americans don't know U.S. healthcare anymore. ACA may be repealed; it may not. It may have a replacement; or it may not. Do you know how much the deductible is for a "silver" plan is on ACA?
Finally, you may not make as much money in Germany because of the cost of social benefits and universal healthcare, etc. But that doesn't mean your dollar goes further in the U.S. Sorry, don't mean to be preachy . . .
07-23-2017, 03:37 PM
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Arriving in CO with no job secured and only 4 to 5k in savings is a baaaaad idea. Where the jobs are, your rent could be a third of that for one month alone.
Get the job first.
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Most Common Occupations - Building and grounds cleaning and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Personal care and service occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and office occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Office and administrative support occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Natural resources, construction, and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Farming, fishing, and forestry occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Construction and extraction occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)