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Old 01-02-2018, 08:58 AM
 
Location: Copenhagen, Denmark
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Almost every "urban-incarcerated" pre-retirment age professional I know in the US and UK has such a dream, but only those who work from home and, thus, have the benefit of a high enough salary and freedom of mobility can actually do it.

In Denmark, where the government is moving a large number of its jobs from Copenhagen to the boonies on Fyn and Jylland, everyone I know who is on the list of people slated to move out of Copenhagen will quit first!
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Old 01-02-2018, 09:26 AM
 
Location: Denver CO
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Almost every "urban-incarcerated" pre-retirment age professional I know in the US and UK has such a dream, but only those who work from home and, thus, have the benefit of a high enough salary and freedom of mobility can actually do it.

In Denmark, where the government is moving a large number of its jobs from Copenhagen to the boonies on Fyn and Jylland, everyone I know who is on the list of people slated to move out of Copenhagen will quit first!
I don't know any "urban-incarcerated" professionals where I live. My urban residential neighborhood is filled with people who pay a premium to live in the city albeit in a neighborhood that is a cross between a city and a suburb. Houses are single family and duplexes, not apartments and condos but the lots are tiny, houses are very close together, garages are alley loading so blocks are more pedestrian oriented, lots of public green spaces rather than big yards. But we also have the benefit of being a short distance from the heart of the city and all the amenities that provides.

You couldn't pay me to live in a small rural town.
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Old 01-02-2018, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Copenhagen, Denmark
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I don't know any "urban-incarcerated" professionals where I live. My urban residential neighborhood is filled with people who pay a premium to live in the city albeit in a neighborhood that is a cross between a city and a suburb. Houses are single family and duplexes, not apartments and condos but the lots are tiny, houses are very close together, garages are alley loading so blocks are more pedestrian oriented, lots of public green spaces rather than big yards. But we also have the benefit of being a short distance from the heart of the city and all the amenities that provides.

You couldn't pay me to live in a small rural town.
I once thought about moving from Boulder to Paonia, but chose Copenhagen instead. And, in fact, most of the people I do know who have, or wanted to, move are looking at, or ended up in, smaller urban areas more suitable to their incomes and lifestyles.
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Old 01-02-2018, 11:43 AM
 
Location: We_tside PNW (Columbia Gorge) / CO / SA TX / Thailand
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Out of curiosity, how many Internet-only jobs that make a living wage and will hire someone who lives in the middle of nowhere are there, realistically? ..... As for creating your own value/wealth - you have to have something to start with, and it is not a realistic economic model for an entire generation to not have wages as their primary means. If everyone sits around playing the market and no one works, there is no solid basis for the economy and it will be sustainable.
ok... let me clarify...
1) strike the word ‘wage’ from your vocabulary
2) delete the concept of ‘hire’

Go from there.

*very, very few ‘play-the-markets’ (that requires ASSETS, which you must not have if you are still looking for Wages)

(You might want to remove the word ‘play’ too, especially if you plan on using a J-O-B to try to survive)

FYI... ‘the economy’ has transformed....The USA purposed to delete asset and tangible based manufacturing and engineering as economic and employment stability 30 yrs ago. It will never come back (cuz few know how to do it, and USA and State taxes make it very risky.). The current and future ‘economy’ will NOT be a wage based economy. I can hire excellent / experienced / hard working IT techs all over the world (and not have to deal with the USA employment headaches and costs).

Look at Buffet, Gates, Steve Jobs.... those guys are ancient, but they were finished with WAGE income in about Jr high.

Gotta rise to the challenge.

No excuses,
No whining.

I think of the 6000 - 10,0000 of my Colorado ex-coworkers, (outsourced) and am delighted many went on to create their own path. Many new companies that now employ CO workers. But few went incrementally into another ‘wage’ job. Some survived but did not excel.
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Old 01-02-2018, 12:00 PM
 
Location: Evergreen, Colorado
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I don't know any "urban-incarcerated" professionals where I live. My urban residential neighborhood is filled with people who pay a premium to live in the city albeit in a neighborhood that is a cross between a city and a suburb. Houses are single family and duplexes, not apartments and condos but the lots are tiny, houses are very close together, garages are alley loading so blocks are more pedestrian oriented, lots of public green spaces rather than big yards. But we also have the benefit of being a short distance from the heart of the city and all the amenities that provides.

You couldn't pay me to live in a small rural town.

I know several “Urban-incarcerated “ professionals where I live, or at least they used to be. Now they pay a premium to be away from the city. Lol. The country mouse/city mouse discussion is as old as I can remember, and I think much of how one feels depends on where they started out.

I agree with your sentiment though, I don’t think I could live in a small rural town in the middle of nowhere either.
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Old 01-02-2018, 12:19 PM
 
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I know several “Urban-incarcerated “ professionals where I live, or at least they used to be. Now they pay a premium to be away from the city. Lol. The country mouse/city mouse discussion is as old as I can remember, and I think much of how one feels depends on where they started out.

I agree with your sentiment though, I don’t think I could live in a small rural town in the middle of nowhere either.
Ditto. Besides seeing a regular cast of doctors, I like the richness of life in good sized metro areas. Having lived all my life in metro areas like Baltimore, DC, Colorado Spring and now Phoenix there's no way I'd go to the middle of nowhere, even if it had great internet and cable.

Rural areas have a poverty when it comes to the richness of life.... arts, culture, sports, shopping, entertainment, restaurants and just about everything. Rural is great for quiet solitude, wildlife, hunting and fishing but that's not for me. I went fishing as a kid but if I want fish or steak for dinner now then I'll go out to eat or to Costco.

Here in the Phoenix area there's just about every form of richness and quality of life one could desire, major variety of foreign and domestic eateries, arts, shopping, museums, pro and college sports, symphony, retirement venues, and tons of variety for hiking, motocross, climbing, hot air ballooning, biking, boating, NASCAR track, small airports and tons more. My retirement area has thousands of homes and we have 50+ clubs and activities.
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Old 01-02-2018, 01:03 PM
 
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Yes WALSENBURG !
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Old 01-02-2018, 01:10 PM
 
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Buckeye in far west Phoenix is very affordable , the american dream is alive and well in Buckeye ! .... just don't plan on outdoor activities from May through September and make sure you have enough for the Electric bill ( Air cond ). oh but January Rocks ! .Lake Pleasant ( AZ ) sometimes has a cool breeze , went there in February stayed all day .

https://pleasantharbor.com/

still there is something about Walsenburg...
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Old 01-02-2018, 01:10 PM
 
Location: The analog world
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Medical resources is of no concern for those of us w/o AFORDABLE USA healthcare (Rural Colorado has some of the highest A(?)CA policy rates in the USA.
I think these people are talking about the availability of services in rural areas. I will not be leaving the Front Range because I have a rare disease, and this is where my specialist practices.

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Old 01-03-2018, 05:18 PM
 
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3) I hired (6) STEM millennials this yr) They are actually quite worthless as engaged / contributing employees. They have NO experience!!! I mean NO.. (mechanical product design and manufacturing) Most boomers knew how to weld / build furniture / houses, fix cars, operate machine tools, chainsaws, semi trucks...... All LONG before they were out looking for work. (i.e... they did creative things as kids / many had relevant jobs before and through HS and college), All but one of my new hires was still driving 'mommy's car!!!
Why does one need to know how to weld in order to work any job besides a welder?
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