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Old 01-24-2018, 08:04 AM
 
Location: USA
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Not surprised. Pandering to the dying coal industry, I presume?
No. Trying to implement fair trade practices to create AMERICAN JOBS.
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Old 01-24-2018, 08:59 AM
 
Location: Washington Park, Denver
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No. Trying to implement fair trade practices to create AMERICAN JOBS.
Costing American jobs in one place by favoring one industry over another. Especially when one industry is growing and the other is dying.

Imagine propping up the horse carriage industry if Henry Ford was importing some parts from China. How would that have ended?
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Old 01-24-2018, 09:27 AM
 
Location: Aurora, CO
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No. Trying to implement fair trade practices to create AMERICAN JOBS.
The solar panel tariffs, combined with the DOE's absurd (and failed) attempt to require coal power plants to have a 90-day stockpile of coal on-hand at all times is pandering at its finest. They're trying like hell to prop up coal, but the world is moving on from it. I lived in coal country, and although it pangs me to say it, it's time to wake up and smell the coffee. There's gonna come a time (likely in my lifetime) when coal dies completely. You can pretend Trump (or some other pol) is gonna save you, or you can pull your head outta the sand and try to adapt.

Tariffs or not, China is going to take the lead on solar and we're gonna get left out. Brilliant strategy.
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Old 01-24-2018, 10:09 AM
 
Location: Gilbert, AZ
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Cost of PV panels is not the problem today. They are already fairly cheap and presumably will be getting cheaper. So instead of crying about tariffs, we should be concentrating on bringing down the other costs (labor, permits, hardware, etc).
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Old 01-24-2018, 11:38 AM
 
Location: We_tside PNW (Columbia Gorge) / CO / SA TX / Thailand
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Cost of PV panels is not the problem today. They are already fairly cheap and presumably will be getting cheaper. So instead of crying about tariffs, we should be concentrating on bringing down the other costs (labor, permits, hardware, etc).
including getting rid of US Gov subsidies !!!

Those killed the competitiveness of the US Solar industry in the 1970's and 1980's.

Ironically when the subsidies came back... so did the (same ole) sharks. I work in the Alt Energy industry, so was surprised to see the same sharks return 20 yrs later. I figured that they would have gone and got real jobs, but they probably just follow the Federal Money that they can extract from naive citizens.

Paying 2x - 5x actual value for installations is not in the long term benefit of the industry.
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Old 01-24-2018, 01:40 PM
 
Location: Gilbert, AZ
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including getting rid of US Gov subsidies !!!

Those killed the competitiveness of the US Solar industry in the 1970's and 1980's.

Ironically when the subsidies came back... so did the (same ole) sharks. I work in the Alt Energy industry, so was surprised to see the same sharks return 20 yrs later. I figured that they would have gone and got real jobs, but they probably just follow the Federal Money that they can extract from naive citizens.

Paying 2x - 5x actual value for installations is not in the long term benefit of the industry.
I recall shopping for my first house, I believe it was in 1992. I was shown several resale homes with derelict solar systems still in place. None of them worked any longer but the owners hadn't bothered to remove them. I'm not sure what they were thinking. Did they believe that albatross up on the roof was adding value to their home? I passed on all of those

Tax credits make people do silly things, IMO.
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Old 01-24-2018, 02:43 PM
 
Location: Washington Park, Denver
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including getting rid of US Gov subsidies !!!

Those killed the competitiveness of the US Solar industry in the 1970's and 1980's.

Ironically when the subsidies came back... so did the (same ole) sharks. I work in the Alt Energy industry, so was surprised to see the same sharks return 20 yrs later. I figured that they would have gone and got real jobs, but they probably just follow the Federal Money that they can extract from naive citizens.

Paying 2x - 5x actual value for installations is not in the long term benefit of the industry.
Meanwhile oil & gas gets billions in subsidies every year and the industry has sold the story to Republican voters that this is a tremendous growth engine for them.
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