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Old 06-22-2018, 09:19 AM
 
Location: North Beach, MD on the Chesapeake
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And so many of these type accidents these days involve people texting and talking on their damn cell phones. In my case (post#8) this happened in the mid 1970's. Heh, told ya it was in the dark ages!
The cell phone thing is nationwide. My incident that I referenced in Post #2 was in 1999.

The woman driving the car that hit the one behind me that then went into mine was doing about 60 (speed limit is 25). Never even hit her brakes. I was watching it unfold in my mirror. Fortunately I had left some space on front of me so I didn't go into that car.
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Old 06-22-2018, 09:23 AM
 
Location: 33950-bound
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Why do Colorado drivers leave 1 or more car lengths between them and the car in front of them at a red light? It's baffling and inconsiderate.
"Colorado's" drivers (particularly along the I-25 corridor) include people from all over the place these days.

A Colorado State Patrol officer, moonlighting as a driving instructor for AAA, taught me to drive in the early 70s. I did learn to not pull up right on the tail of the person in front of me at a stop, but rather leave enough space to see the rear tires touching the pavement. The purpose of doing that was to leave adequate space in the case of a rear end collision or if something ahead happened where another driver needed maneuvering room. The distance is nowhere near even a car length though.

Why is it baffling? Where are you actually going to go? Wouldn't the traffic be stopped anyway? I see that scenario you describe happen, but rarely. I am too busy dodging the dangerous idiots on their phones to notice something that seems to be pretty harmless.

Don't let yourself get so worked up over what other people do and that you cannot control. It isn't worth it.
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Old 06-22-2018, 09:26 AM
 
Location: The analog world
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I'd like to mention that my kids, who've all gone through a Colorado driving school in the past seven years, were taught to leave enough space to see the bottom of the front car's tires plus a foot or two of roadway when stopped in traffic. And as I mentioned earlier, I was taught the same thing thirty-five years ago in another part of the country. This is pretty standard defensive driving technique.
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Old 06-22-2018, 11:34 AM
 
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Here's part deux, as seen from my bicycle this morning:

Car stops at red light 1-2 car lengths back from the white line - far enough that the buried sensor doesn't "see" him, so he sits through an extra cycle, until a car in the left turn lane appears and triggers the light to change. So what's the rationale for this one? No car in front of him that he has to worry about being pushed into, if rear ended.
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Old 06-22-2018, 11:45 AM
 
Location: The analog world
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Here's part deux, as seen from my bicycle this morning:

Car stops at red light 1-2 car lengths back from the white line - far enough that the buried sensor doesn't "see" him, so he sits through an extra cycle, until a car in the left turn lane appears and triggers the light to change. So what's the rationale for this one? No car in front of him that he has to worry about being pushed into, if rear ended.
So now that a bunch of people have stepped up to inform you of the very good reasons to leave extra space between your car and the one ahead, you now change the argument? Come on. Just admit that you were wrong to criticize a very well-established defensive driving technique.
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Old 06-22-2018, 12:02 PM
 
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So now that a bunch of people have stepped up to inform you of the very good reasons to leave extra space between your car and the one ahead, you now change the argument? Come on. Just admit that you were wrong to criticize a very well-established defensive driving technique.
First, it's not a very good reason. Second, this is a different scenario. There's nobody in front of you.

It's simply a poor driving technique that causes unnecessary traffic backups. Ever been on 6th Ave west in Golden during the morning commute. The the heritage Rd intersection, the left through lane becomes blocked by those in the left turning lane, backing into the through lane because of all the wasted space between the stopped cars waiting to make a left.
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Old 06-22-2018, 01:13 PM
 
Location: 33950-bound
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... far enough that the buried sensor doesn't "see" him...
A friend works for a large contractor that installs traffic signals and he says they don't bury the sensors anymore. Major intersections use a sensor-eye type system now. Granted, one would probably still have to be within a certain distance of the intersection to be detected. It's also how a green turn arrow stays on long enough to allow a long string of cars to get through.
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Old 06-22-2018, 02:17 PM
 
Location: Denver CO
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A friend works for a large contractor that installs traffic signals and he says they don't bury the sensors anymore. Major intersections use a sensor-eye type system now. Granted, one would probably still have to be within a certain distance of the intersection to be detected. It's also how a green turn arrow stays on long enough to allow a long string of cars to get through.
There are still plenty of in-ground sensor loops in use out there
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Old 06-23-2018, 04:01 PM
 
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I'd like to mention that my kids, who've all gone through a Colorado driving school in the past seven years, were taught to leave enough space to see the bottom of the front car's tires plus a foot or two of roadway when stopped in traffic. And as I mentioned earlier, I was taught the same thing thirty-five years ago in another part of the country. This is pretty standard defensive driving technique.
Thank you! Leaving that much space means less risk of a rearender slamming you--a stopped car--into another car in front.

And, for the clueless who think it's OK to pull up right on someone's bumper on an uphill: How do you know that the driver in front won't accidentally let the car roll BACK and into you? Or even mistakenly throw it into Reverse? Don't poohpooh this; I know someone who had it happen to them. From a dead stop, sometimes just a few feet makes the difference between being hit or not.
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Old 06-23-2018, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Erie, PA
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Here's part deux, as seen from my bicycle this morning:

Car stops at red light 1-2 car lengths back from the white line - far enough that the buried sensor doesn't "see" him, so he sits through an extra cycle, until a car in the left turn lane appears and triggers the light to change. So what's the rationale for this one? No car in front of him that he has to worry about being pushed into, if rear ended.
Likely being cautious about the intersection and leaving himself a bubble in case some bozo comes up behind him while he's stopped and doesn't see him. I've seen this happen more than once in a couple of states I lived. In one I was starting to turn left and saw a car coming up fast behind another car on the opposing side of the road which was stopped. That stopped car was trapped because their left lane was full of cars and their right lane was full of cars. When the speeding car hit him, the car got knocked some distance out into the intersection and despite me stopping right before I reached the end of the left turn line he nearly hit me.

I have also seen where cars have been hit like this but have left that 'bubble' of space and did not go into the intersection.

Just part of defensive driving to leave the extra room. It's bad enough to be arse-ended but worse if you get knocked into the intersection and hit again head on/ side swiped, or whatever.

IMO it's just smart to leave at least a bit of room between yourself and other cars and your car and the white line.

Leaving a bit of space between cars is not confined to Colorado drivers :: A lot of "Colorado" drivers are from other areas of the US...
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