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View Poll Results: Would you support ranked-choice voting in Colorado?
Iíd sign the petition 9 33.33%
Iíd vote for it if it appeared on the ballot 7 25.93%
No 11 40.74%
Voters: 27. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 12-24-2018, 02:15 AM
 
Location: We_tside PNW (Columbia Gorge) / CO / SA TX / Thailand
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""Two parties is basically an inevitability.""

Wow... a REALLY BAD idea (in current toxic political offerings / climate )

USA (2 party) politics likely has run it's useful course.

Constituent representation and intent for 'public' service (void of the 2 party bias) may only be possible with a strong 3rd party / independent.

Part line politics is pretty useless to regional issues and the intent / purpose of having a locally elected representative.

For the continued use of our current 2 party system, one may be better served finding a benevolent dictator ( or digressing to a socialist government.

If 'party-ties' are guiding your rep... your own community needs and interests of of no merit or consequence (Except they will fail / be abandoned for the betterment of "The Party" (Sound familiar? It should have a haunting ring to it... Colorado has heard it well!)
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Old 12-24-2018, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Washington Park, Denver
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""Two parties is basically an inevitability.""

Wow... a REALLY BAD idea (in current toxic political offerings / climate )

USA (2 party) politics likely has run it's useful course.

Constituent representation and intent for 'public' service (void of the 2 party bias) may only be possible with a strong 3rd party / independent.

Part line politics is pretty useless to regional issues and the intent / purpose of having a locally elected representative.

For the continued use of our current 2 party system, one may be better served finding a benevolent dictator ( or digressing to a socialist government.

If 'party-ties' are guiding your rep... your own community needs and interests of of no merit or consequence (Except they will fail / be abandoned for the betterment of "The Party" (Sound familiar? It should have a haunting ring to it... Colorado has heard it well!)
History has proven that 2 parties are an inevitability in our system. 3rd parties have only been able to be relevant for a single election cycle. The main reason for this is that they almost always are single issue oriented - taxes, environment, balanced budget, religion, etc. If they are able to pull enlightenment votes in an election from one of the major parties, then that party will absorb thatís issue isnít he next election cycle, thus neutering the 3rd party.
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Old 12-26-2018, 01:47 AM
 
Location: Denver via Austin
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How could that be an outcome? I don't get how this fits into "1 person, 1 vote".
Every voter’s ballot has equal weight.

Allowing voters to rank the candidates means that voters can express more nuance and more ideas can be heard. The current plurality-take-all system makes two parties presenting a false dichotomy an inevitability.

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Old 12-27-2018, 11:46 AM
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This is already included now in CO elections via the "Approval Party". Current CO voter registration forms include them as a choice. It's weird though, because this is a systematic approach, not a party approach per se. So, it's confusing to go about it at the party level. But that's maybe the starting point, in their minds.

Look into the Approval Party for more information. Regardless, there is only a tiny percentage of CO voters with them, and it's still stuck within the approaches of a party, and not something that would control the election process. Then there's the whole selling point as to whether people even want to take this approach.
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Old 12-27-2018, 07:24 PM
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Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Every voter’s ballot has equal weight.

Allowing voters to rank the candidates means that voters can express more nuance and more ideas can be heard. The current plurality-take-all system makes two parties presenting a false dichotomy an inevitability.
They had some screwy system called "cumulative voting" back in Illinois when I lived there (since dropped) for the Illinois House of Representatives. Each district elected three people, and you could vote for one, two or three. If you voted for one, you gave that person 3 votes, vote for two, give 1 1/2 votes each, vote for 3, 1 vote each. People quickly learned how to game that system by voting for one, giving that person three votes. As if Illinois weren't corrupt enough!

"In fact, cumulative voting — which is still used in dozens of jurisdictions across the U.S., including for a handful of seats on Peoria's city council — eventually fell afoul in the Illinois House not because of philosophical objections, but because of a public perception of the legislators' greed. In 1978, legislators gave themselves a 40 percent pay raise, provoking voters to pass a referendum, two years later, substituting single-member districts for the older system. The winning argument, that it would reduce the number of representatives from 177 to 118, was conveyed by a simple but eloquent slogan:

"Here is a chance to abolish the jobs of 59 politicians." "


Sadly, this vote happened just months after we left IL for CO.

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Old 12-28-2018, 03:14 PM
 
Location: Washington Park, Denver
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Chaos from the first go of this system in Maine

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/28/polit...ion/index.html
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Old 12-28-2018, 04:01 PM
 
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Chaos from the first go of this system in Maine

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/28/polit...ion/index.html
Because that wasn't politically motivated at all...
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Old Today, 01:40 AM
 
Location: Denver via Austin
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They had some screwy system called "cumulative voting" back in Illinois when I lived there (since dropped) for the Illinois House of Representatives. Each district elected three people, and you could vote for one, two or three. If you voted for one, you gave that person 3 votes, vote for two, give 1 1/2 votes each, vote for 3, 1 vote each. People quickly learned how to game that system by voting for one, giving that person three votes. As if Illinois weren't corrupt enough!

"In fact, cumulative voting ó which is still used in dozens of jurisdictions across the U.S., including for a handful of seats on Peoria's city council ó eventually fell afoul in the Illinois House not because of philosophical objections, but because of a public perception of the legislators' greed. In 1978, legislators gave themselves a 40 percent pay raise, provoking voters to pass a referendum, two years later, substituting single-member districts for the older system. The winning argument, that it would reduce the number of representatives from 177 to 118, was conveyed by a simple but eloquent slogan:

"Here is a chance to abolish the jobs of 59 politicians." "


Sadly, this vote happened just months after we left IL for CO.
That is a screwy voting system indeed. But luckily ranked-choice voting isnít that system.
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Old Today, 01:43 AM
 
Location: Denver via Austin
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Chaos from the first go of this system in Maine

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/28/polit...ion/index.html
Sounds like the system voted in the person with the slightly wider appeal, not the one with the slightly more devoted voting block. Two independents running in a congressional race without fear of the spoiler effect is one of the more refreshing things to see come out of the ranked-choice system IMHO. “Chaos” seems a bit dramatic. It’ll be interesting to see what kind of court precedent is set with this lawsuit.

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Old Today, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Washington Park, Denver
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Sounds like the system voted in the person with the slightly wider appeal, not the one with the slightly more devoted voting block. Two independents running in a congressional race without fear of the spoiler effect is one of the more refreshing things to see come out of the ranked-choice system IMHO. ďChaosĒ seems a bit dramatic. Itíll be interesting to see what kind of court precedent is set with this lawsuit.
Oh I was being slightly hyperbolic. I donít think itís a bad system. Just funny how people blame the system in a tight election when they end up on the losing side.
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