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Old 03-05-2019, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Pensacola, Florida
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For those unfamiliar with Andrew Yang this video sums up his position quite nicely. I believe if he secures the DNC nomination he can beat Trump.

https://youtu.be/I5NgFkvNyqo
You live in La La Land if you think this won't be branded as socialism and lose every single swing state. It surely won't fly in FL, I can tell you that.
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Old 03-05-2019, 11:06 AM
 
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But the current Dem candidates are very far left and would alienate some of their moderate voters, especially those over 30. They're just making it easy for Trump to win again in 2020.
Neither Hickenlooper nor Klobuchar are far left. They both are centrist.

You better start watching more closely what you say. Your leader is a liar. You definitely don’t want to talk like him.
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Old 03-05-2019, 11:13 AM
 
Location: CO
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There's an interesting opinion piece in the Washington Post, which basically says Hickenlooper's style of governing can't work in our country today.

Hickenlooper’s entry reveals how moderates fatally misunderstand today’s GOP

The final paragraph says
It's sad that GOP Obstruction is what holds our government back.
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. . .the independents, like me, who voted against Hillary last time, but are sick of Trump's nonsense. I would certainly vote for a moderate Dem like Hick, or even Mr. Starbucks, if he runs.
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I honestly think Hick would give the Democratic Party the best shot to win it all. So far, he's the only Democrat that would likely pull my vote away from Trump. I've voted Republican in every presidential election since Nixon's first term, but I had to hold my nose pulling the lever for Trump. And as much as I dislike him, I'll vote for him once more unless a moderate Democrat with some experience emerges as the nominee. I can't say how many other moderate Republicans feel as I do, but I've gotta think I'm not alone.
It sure starts to sound as if Hick (or someone like him) could defeat Trump - I can't imagine that democrats who prefer more ideological/radical candidates would suddenly turn around and vote for Trump. The question arises then, of course, what style of governing could actually be effective in our country as it is now?
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Old 03-05-2019, 11:41 AM
 
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Let's keep our focus on Hickenlooper vs the world... else this thread will have to go into the elections forum.

I recall the nation elected Jimmy Carter in 1976, a relatively unknown governor from a southern state.

Now we have John Hickenlooper running in 2020, a relatively unknown governor from a western state.

It can happen. Don't rule it out. Don't sell him short.

I've always said that the true political strength of the USA is in the middle. By my observations that is how Bill Clinton kept a ~60% approval rating most of his two terms, by playing to the middle -- where most of us live.

I'm not aware of any huge detrimental marks on Hicks record. Anyone know of any?
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Old 03-05-2019, 12:19 PM
 
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Let's keep our focus on Hickenlooper vs the world... else this thread will have to go into the elections forum.

I recall the nation elected Jimmy Carter in 1976, a relatively unknown governor from a southern state.

Now we have John Hickenlooper running in 2020, a relatively unknown governor from a western state.

It can happen. Don't rule it out. Don't sell him short.

I've always said that the true political strength of the USA is in the middle. By my observations that is how Bill Clinton kept a ~60% approval rating most of his two terms, by playing to the middle -- where most of us live.

I'm not aware of any huge detrimental marks on Hicks record. Anyone know of any?
Mike, since you posed the question, I think that would hinge on one's view of fossil fuel industries in general, and fracking in particular, and Hickllooper's relationship to such. Maybe it is best to leave it at that, since those topics invite strong differences in viewpoints.
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Old 03-05-2019, 02:01 PM
 
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If you break country into Northeast, Midwest, South and West, the South is the biggest part. The mountain west is the biggest part of West by geographic area but the smallest part by population and political influence. "The West" is the 2nd most populated region but it is really more like 3 sub-regions. It has worked together to pick several Republican candidates / Presidents but not Democrats. Democratic Western governors often get an early mention by Washington press in the first naming of names then have always disappeared this century. Fundraising is usually a big problem in advancing. By comparison to the West, the southerners have been far more likely and aggressive to rally to a southern Governor.


As for "Marxist" or "Socialist" labels, one can use them to label people or you can ask them to label themselves and check how they labeled themselves in earlier, different times. I do think it is "interesting" that Saunders honeymooned in the USSR way back when. Not that this "answers" questions about this label but it makes it a bit more curious. You could be considered a marxist for merely reading & considering the formal writing of Karl Marx or you might accept it as an essential lens / tool for understanding history & class without considering it "correct" or desirable in all respects or you could sympathize with or more rarely actually officially in writing and provable join a self-avowed Marxist party. Same potential label but with very different meanings / levels. There are socialists who are not Marxist and certainly plenty without the capital M.


What is centrist? There are different views. A lot of Democrats see "centrist" as watered down progressivism, usually corporate friendly sell-out of poor and middle class. A lot of Republicans basically refuse to recognize that there is a centrist ground between their "right" and wrong. For the 15-40% that are centrist, independent or non ideological, there is a middle ground on some issues, while they are also more generally with the left or right on some issues, albeit social thinking, economics, internation policy or whatever. The middle usually decides elections but far less so the final candidates. Centrist Democrats often concern those further left "dreamers" (Hickenlooper's term?) or "talkers" (my term) or extreme, rigid, not, realistic, etc. But history suggests they often just a few generations of time ahead of their time to win. It inspires and it also can a decisive reason for defeat in he moment and delay for other things & reversals. You can be pure or pragmatic or alternatively depending on how you read the times and how you think the most important decisions in history are made, predominantly.


I didnt find Hickenlooper's announcement video that compelling. It was carefully made and indicates his brand of politics. It will appeal to some but I still doubt it is the one message to beat out all others.


At the moment, independent candidates seem likely and seem likely to have big impact. This often fades away but the likelihood and impact so seem more significant than since 2000 or 1992.


Within the Democratic party, candidate alliances / deals to back each other strategically or pick common enemies to attack in particular state primaries and especially caucuses could be quite the thing. I think the prospect of a brokered convention is pretty high.


Lots of different scenarios, lots of different potential outcomes.

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Old 03-05-2019, 02:56 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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You live in La La Land if you think this won't be branded as socialism and lose every single swing state. It surely won't fly in FL, I can tell you that.
Yang already has Trump voters coming out to support him he has cross partisan appeal. Also his plan isn't socialism its capitalism that doesn't start at zero. It would also run a profit imagine that.
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Old 03-05-2019, 03:11 PM
 
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If it was Hickenlooper vs. Trump, I'd vote for Hickenlooper. (But then there are VERY few people who could run against Trump that I wouldn't vote for. In fact, right now, I think that the only candidate I would NOT vote for would be AOC or someone who shares her extreme views.)
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Old 03-05-2019, 03:14 PM
 
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Let's keep our focus on Hickenlooper vs the world... else this thread will have to go into the elections forum.

I recall the nation elected Jimmy Carter in 1976, a relatively unknown governor from a southern state.

Now we have John Hickenlooper running in 2020, a relatively unknown governor from a western state.

It can happen. Don't rule it out. Don't sell him short.

I've always said that the true political strength of the USA is in the middle. By my observations that is how Bill Clinton kept a ~60% approval rating most of his two terms, by playing to the middle -- where most of us live.

I'm not aware of any huge detrimental marks on Hicks record. Anyone know of any?
I repped you because I mostly agree with the above, but how can you explain Trump beating Kasich? Even though I disagree with his views on abortion, I thought Kasich was about as "in the middle" as they come.
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Old 03-05-2019, 03:14 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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If it was Hickenlooper vs. Trump, I'd vote for Hickenlooper. (But then there are VERY few people who could run against Trump that I wouldn't vote for. In fact, right now, I think that the only candidate I would NOT vote for would be AOC or someone who shares her extreme views.
Cortez is a center left socdem nothing extreme about her views except for far right nutters. Hickenlooper is a corporate sellout. He doesn't support marijuana legalization he doesn't stand behind medicare for all I could go on but Hickenlooper will never be president hes just another suit.
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