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Old 05-24-2008, 09:39 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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Panic attacks are symptoms of anxiety, not depression. While depression and panic attacks can certainly co-exist they are not dependent on one another.

Check out our Panic attack thread in the health section, its sort of like a support group.

I can see where someone might have a problem in high altitudes because of feeling like they can't breath but I should imagine it has more to do with what your used to. I grew up spending alot of time in Colorado so I doubt it would bother me. NOW the narrow road winding through the Rocky Mountain National Park to the Continental Divide certainly did make me feel panicy however.
I haven't seen that thread and I will tell you that (no cites though) that panic attacks and anxiety are closely aligned with depression.

It can be a mild depression or it can be full blown depression. But panic or anxiety attacks are part of depression. Look it up and educate yourself.

As one that has been dealing with mental health authorities for a big part of my life, I have a bit of understanding. Had I lived another life, I would have been working in it to help others. I think your assessment is wrong. Based on what I know, what i have dealt with and what I have researched. Anxiety is hugely related to depression. Oh and unless you have had a full blown anxiety or panic attack - where you are crying in the grocery store and asking for help because your cat needs food...you don't know a panic attack. You feel so off so weird, so alone.

But I think we can agree, panic attacks or anxiety attacks are not altitude created. They are mental health issues. I didn't get them until about 10 years ago. I have lived at higher altitudes for all of my life. Explain that?

One may feel a bit of shortness of breath or what have you but you aren't having a panic attack until you are sitting there wanting to run away, and be alone and be (I can't even explain it)....the worst one I had was so mind boggling it was sad, I hated myself, I hated my situation, even thinking about it makes me scared. I remember it too much. But, I still had the huspha despite my crying to email King soopers after I got home to them them know that someone helped me. And thank you.

I think panic attacks are sorely misplaced, people don't get the real ones as they are depression related. I tell them when I am coming on one. Funny thing is, it's all money oriented and then my family.

I am sorry, you don't know my level of them and the thread? Post it as I don't want to look it up. HUH.
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Old 05-24-2008, 10:57 PM
 
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[quote=COflower;3874386]I haven't seen that thread and I will tell you that (no cites though) that panic attacks and anxiety are closely aligned with depression.

It can be a mild depression or it can be full blown depression. But panic or anxiety attacks are part of depression. Look it up and educate yourself...
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With concern and respect, I think you have to look it up and educate yourself.

The poster, Lindsey_Mcfarren, stated it correctly---" Panic attacks are symptoms of anxiety, not depression. While depression and panic attacks can certainly co-exist they are not dependent on one another..."

Panic Disorder is anxiety disorder. Depression is a mood disorder.
Reference the DSM-IV:
Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition, 1994 (DSM-IV), American Psychiatric Association

This is the definitive guide to Mental Disorders that is used by health professionals and the federal government for diagnostic correct descriptions of mental disorders.

Livecontent
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Old 05-25-2008, 07:55 AM
 
Location: Las Flores, Orange County, CA
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I haven't seen that thread and I will tell you that (no cites though) that panic attacks and anxiety are closely aligned with depression.

It can be a mild depression or it can be full blown depression. But panic or anxiety attacks are part of depression. Look it up and educate yourself...
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With concern and respect, I think you have to look it up and educate yourself.

The poster, Lindsey_Mcfarren, stated it correctly---" Panic attacks are symptoms of anxiety, not depression. While depression and panic attacks can certainly co-exist they are not dependent on one another..."

Panic Disorder is anxiety disorder. Depression is a mood disorder.
Reference the DSM-IV:
Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition, 1994 (DSM-IV), American Psychiatric Association

This is the definitive guide to Mental Disorders that is used by health professionals and the federal government for diagnostic correct descriptions of mental disorders.

Livecontent
My wife is a psychologist. I asked her. Anxiety.
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Old 05-25-2008, 08:47 AM
 
Location: CO @ 8300'
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My wife is a psychologist. I asked her. Anxiety.
Thank you!

Regarding panic attacks/altitude please read the link that Katiana provided.

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Old 05-25-2008, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Las Flores, Orange County, CA
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Thank you!

As far as any correlation with altitude, read this from the National Institute of Mental website:
People exposed to high altitudes often experience somatic symptoms triggered by hypoxia, such as breathlessness, palpitations, dizziness, headache, and insomnia. Most of the symptoms are identical to those reported in panic attacks or severe anxiety. Potential causal links between adaptation to altitude and anxiety are apparent in all three leading models of panic, namely, hyperventilation (hypoxia leads to hypocapnia), suffocation false alarms (hypoxia counteracted to some extent by hypocapnia), and cognitive misinterpretations (symptoms from hypoxia and hypocapnia interpreted as dangerous). Furthermore, exposure to high altitudes produces respiratory disturbances during sleep in normals similar to those in panic disorder at low altitudes. In spite of these connections and their clinical importance, evidence for precipitation of panic attacks or more gradual increases in anxiety during altitude exposure is meager. We suggest some improvements that could be made in the design of future studies, possible tests of some of the theoretical causal links, and possible treatment applications, such as systematic exposure of panic patients to high altitude. Copyright 2002 Wiley-Liss, Inc.
(You might want to post the specific URL and post this as an excerpt or you might get zapped from the moderators.....)
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Old 05-25-2008, 09:07 AM
 
Location: CO @ 8300'
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(You might want to post the specific URL and post this as an excerpt or you might get zapped from the moderators.....)
Thank you, Charles. I realized my error and that Katiana had already posted the very informative link!
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Old 05-25-2008, 09:22 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth, Texas
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I can tell you from personal experience that there is NOTHING more frustrating then being told your just suffering from depression when you are so anxious your about to explode.
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Old 05-25-2008, 11:59 PM
 
Location: LB/OC for now...
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my wife suffers from anxiety induced panic attacks but during our stays in the rockies and in denver she experienced no major episodes. seemed business as usual
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Old 05-29-2008, 12:04 AM
 
Location: Denver
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Default psychologists and one's own experience

Don't tell all the facts nor are they the best source of a scientific conclusion. There is an interesting book that tells how much we don't know about the neurological processes relating to feelings, mood disorders, and the like--it is called The Emotional Brain.

It is possible that as we age, the effects of high altitude might be stronger as our bodies change (for example, our circulation gets worse), producing panic attacks when we had none before.

I also have a daughter who started getting panic attacks, very common according to panic disorder specialists, after having severe respiratory infections and getting freaked about not being able to breath. The lack of oxygen, whatever its cause, results in a panic as the body produces adrenalin or other substances to try and get it to pump more oxygen.

I also have experienced a type of "depression" after my body over reacts to something fearful or stressful, which you could classify as a "panic". It is not that different from overexerting oneself physically or mentally and then feeling very pooped out, tired, and exhausted.

The body and mind are fascinating and mysterious things.
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Old 05-29-2008, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Canon City, Colorado
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Is that anywhere near to an "adrenaline rush"?

I know that some people live for that rush, I personally can't stand them!
Kinda like, "My sister likes to bungee jump,..me....heck NO!!
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