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Old 07-05-2008, 09:13 PM
 
Location: Road Warrior
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I don't trust rich left-wing Democratic ding-dong activists any more than I trust rich ultra-conservative Republican activist whackos. Mix either of their ideologies with a bunch of money, and plenty of bad **** can happen.
God bless you for understanding Jazz. What I don't get really is this ... we have open spaces, lower taxes, less regulations than some states for a reason. There's a saying "when in Rome do as Romans do". So why would someone want to move to Colorado expecting to live a better life, to get away from the Socialist states and the Facist states that some have created and bring along the same ultra-liberal or ultra-conservative ideologies to this state. Think people. It's for your own good.

There is a story of a mayor, who 100 years ago imagined a beautiful place for the descendants of Colorado, he pointed to the peaks of each mountain and designated the City of Denver to preserve each peak before homesteaders would claim it all up. 100 WHOOPING years later I sincerly thank Mayor Speers for such vision, a vision many politicians lack today, who ONLY look forward into their short 8 years of reign. There is a saying "We do not inherit our land from our ancestors, we borrow it from our descendants." I can care less about other states but I hope this 103,718 square mile piece of land to remain a hospitable place for mine and your descendants, that is all.

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Old 07-07-2008, 10:48 PM
 
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Fascinating discussion NPR this afternoon, and well worth a listen.

"Talk of the Nation, July 7, 2008. Look around your neighborhood. Chances are the people you live near are an awful lot like you — the same politics, same values, same way of life. What's wrong with this picture? Bill Bishop, author of "The Big Sort: Why the Clustering of Like-Minded America Is Tearing Us Apart," talks about how the red and blue states that divide our country also divide our country's neighborhoods, and why that's ruining the nation."

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Old 07-08-2008, 12:33 AM
 
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What I found most interesting in the program discussion was the trend toward extremism in homogeneous neighborhoods. I've read over and over again in these threads about people wanting to move to areas where everyone shares a particular political ideology. In essence, someone who does this diminishes his influence. He buries his vote, rendering it irrelevant, in the same way that I have done so by living in a community in which I am so thoroughly out-numbered. (Thank you, electoral college!) If I want to affect change, I am much better off moving to an area where my political party is just slightly out-numbered. Our politicians know this, which is why they spend so much time in swing states like Ohio. It's the fence sitters in an evenly split race who make the difference.

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Old 07-08-2008, 07:46 AM
 
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I moved here from Indiana about 13 years ago, a definite red state. My views are on the conservative side but also have many libertarian values. I voted in favor of the marijuana amendments but I am against the police state type of laws like the Real ID Act, Patriot Act, seatbelt laws. I am also anti-corporate as well.

The biggest thing I care about is the right to be left alone when not bothering anyone else. Society in general does not believe in that viewpoint much anymore.
 
Old 07-08-2008, 01:01 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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I voted in favor of the marijuana amendments but I am against the police state type of laws like the Real ID Act, Patriot Act, seatbelt laws. I am also anti-corporate as well.

The biggest thing I care about is the right to be left alone when not bothering anyone else. Society in general does not believe in that viewpoint much anymore.
My views exactly. I hate measures that take away from people's civil liberties, such as Real ID and the Patriot Act. The government should not have control over people's lives, as long as what they're doing does not bring harm to anyone else. People should have personal freedom.
 
Old 07-08-2008, 01:09 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Our politicians know this, which is why they spend so much time in swing states like Ohio. It's the fence sitters in an evenly split race who make the difference.
I think it should be interesting to watch Colorado in this election- we are very evenly split politically, and the race will probably be close. I was reading an article on 9news.com last week that suggested that Colorado may be very important in the presidential race this year and as a result, we can expect to see several campaign visits from both McCain and Obama. Last I heard, Obama is ahead in the polls here.
 
Old 07-08-2008, 01:15 PM
 
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I expect that you're right, downtown. I read that McCain was in Denver yesterday.

So, do you live in an area where most people share your views? Is it evenly split? Are you out-numbered? Do you think that has affected your political stance?
 
Old 07-08-2008, 05:12 PM
 
Location: N.E. I-95 corridor
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I hate measures that take away from people's civil liberties, such as Real ID and the Patriot Act. The government should not have control over people's lives, as long as what they're doing does not bring harm to anyone else. People should have personal freedom.
Anyone who advocates giving up (or surrendering) of some freedoms for extra security (as the US media was suggesting right after 9/11/2001) shall be entitled to neither.


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Last I heard, Obama is ahead in the polls here.
Once the media fanfare wears off he and McCain should be about neck and neck. Yes it will be close.
 
Old 07-08-2008, 08:50 PM
 
Location: in a mystical land far away from you
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I moved here from Indiana about 13 years ago, a definite red state. My views are on the conservative side but also have many libertarian values. I voted in favor of the marijuana amendments but I am against the police state type of laws like the Real ID Act, Patriot Act, seatbelt laws. I am also anti-corporate as well.

The biggest thing I care about is the right to be left alone when not bothering anyone else. Society in general does not believe in that viewpoint much anymore.
You, my friend, are a Libertarian.
 
Old 07-09-2008, 12:03 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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I expect that you're right, downtown. I read that McCain was in Denver yesterday.

So, do you live in an area where most people share your views? Is it evenly split? Are you out-numbered? Do you think that has affected your political stance?
I would say that the majority of people in my area share similar views- I live in a fairly diverse area in southeast Denver, so the political climate is pretty liberal. I know that when I lived in central Denver near downtown, the political climate was VERY liberal. I can't say that other people's political opinions have necessarily changed my own, but perhaps the sharing of ideas among people with different opinions has helped me to look at issues with a more well rounded perspective.

Most of the people I work with in my office are very open minded, regardless of their political affiliations. I'm openly gay and I haven't had a co-worker even bat an eyelash about it.
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