Pueblo and Southern Colorado (Denver, Colorado Springs: foreclosure, rent, unemployment rate)

[petuniababee]

you seem to know alot about pueblo, we were thinking of moving to avondale. i really like what i read about it.
what do you know about avondale ?


thanks

[Josseppie]

Originally Posted by petuniababee

you seem to know alot about pueblo, we were thinking of moving to avondale. i really like what i read about it.
what do you know about avondale ?


thanks

Avondale is a suburb east if Pueblo. It is more rural as there is a lot of farming in the area. Highway 50 is the main road that runs through there. It is a very nice area and people seem to like living there. If you have any specific questions I would be more then happy to answer them.

[Josseppie]

This was just in the news and is good news for southern Colorado as we want to attract more renewable energy companies.


"Xcel Energy and Tri-State Generation and Transmission Association filed applications Thursday with the Colorado Public Utilities Commission. The transmission lines would stretch from the San Luis Valley in south-central Colorado to Pueblo."

The link: http://www.9news.com/money/article.aspx?storyid=115743&catid=344

[mustangsally]

What in the world happened to wake up Pueblo??? Before we left in 2005, there was squabbling and backbiting - didn't seem to want to grow. Wanted the Walmart Distribution center in the industrial park that was drying up due to businesses leaving - Walmart wanted the DC in Pueblo West and those people shut it down completely - so Walmart went to Wyoming. The businesses downtown didn't want anything new or to change at all. I tried to get something going to block off streets and put in sidewalk cafes, etc. The businesses I talked to said "NO", their customers wanted to be able to park in front of the stores. Seemed like a totally closed minded bunch of folks.
I'm really glad, though, that somebody woke up to smell the coffee (also the money). The people I spoke with just thought the only way was to keep things the same way. Maybe we'll get out there sometime. Our son & dil usually just fly into Tulsa to visit us. Thanks for all your info.

[Josseppie]

Originally Posted by mustangsally

What in the world happened to wake up Pueblo??? Before we left in 2005, there was squabbling and backbiting - didn't seem to want to grow. Wanted the Walmart Distribution center in the industrial park that was drying up due to businesses leaving - Walmart wanted the DC in Pueblo West and those people shut it down completely - so Walmart went to Wyoming. The businesses downtown didn't want anything new or to change at all. I tried to get something going to block off streets and put in sidewalk cafes, etc. The businesses I talked to said "NO", their customers wanted to be able to park in front of the stores. Seemed like a totally closed minded bunch of folks.
I'm really glad, though, that somebody woke up to smell the coffee (also the money). The people I spoke with just thought the only way was to keep things the same way. Maybe we'll get out there sometime. Our son & dil usually just fly into Tulsa to visit us. Thanks for all your info.

You bring up some interesting points.

As far as the Walmart DC, I am still mad about that. However, I have heard that the DC in Cheyenne serves that region but did nothing to help our region so our area still needs a Walmart DC and that when Walmart is ready to build again they will build one in Pueblo.

One thing that will help Pueblo is new and fresh ideas. That is why I am so exited about all the new developments that are occurring from outside developers. I think once they get going they will bring growth and new ideas to Pueblo and that can only be a good thing in my opinion. One example is the PBR and what it has done for Pueblo. I just left the PBR parade and thousands of people came down to see it and the event has attracted people from over 26 states. This kind of national exposure can only help and will cause even more growth.

[jazzlover]

Originally Posted by Josseppie

You bring up some interesting points.

As far as the Walmart DC, I am still mad about that. However, I have heard that the DC in Cheyenne serves that region but did nothing to help our region so our area still needs a Walmart DC and that when Walmart is ready to build again they will build one in Pueblo.

Well, you're wrong again. The Wal-mart Distribution Center in Cheyenne was built specifically to serve the Colorado region--and does. If you going to post this stuff, get your facts right.

[Josseppie]

Originally Posted by jazzlover

Well, you're wrong again. The Wal-mart Distribution Center in Cheyenne was built specifically to serve the Colorado region--and does. If you going to post this stuff, get your facts right.

Actually that is not true because there is already a Walmart DC in Loveland. What I was told by city leaders is that Walmart needed a DC in two separate regions. When Pueblo messed up (I am using a nice phrase here!) they went and built one in the other region but still need one is our region. Thus, when we have new county commissioners they will once again re-visit Pueblo.

[jazzlover]

Originally Posted by Josseppie

Actually that is not true because there is already a Walmart DC in Loveland. What I was told by city leaders is that Walmart needed a DC in two separate regions. When Pueblo messed up (I am using a nice phrase here!) they went and built one in the other region but still need one is our region. Thus, when we have new county commissioners they will once again re-visit Pueblo.

The Wal-mart distribution center built in Cheyenne is a regional food distribution center. The one in Loveland distributes other products. Otherwise, they would have probably located in Pueblo, rather than have two facilities relatively close together. Pueblo may have "messed up" as you put it, but an equally big reason that center is in Cheyenne is because of Colorado property tax law--actually a 1982 Constitutional Amendment--is prejudicial against commercial and industrial property and prejudiced in favor of residential property. Though property tax is just one part of the picture, it's no surprise that Colorado sports a lot of tax-devouring residential sprawl and less and less productive industry--Colorado property tax law actually favors that outcome. Of course, woe be the Colorado politician who actually suggests that Colorado's property tax-spoiled residential property owners should actually pay their fair share of the state's property tax burden. As the old saying goes, "It you subsidize something, you get more of it; if you tax it, you get less of it."

[Mike from back east]

Originally Posted by jazzlover

The Wal-mart distribution center built in Cheyenne is a regional food distribution center. The one in Loveland distributes other products. Otherwise, they would have probably located in Pueblo, rather than have two facilities relatively close together. Pueblo may have "messed up" as you put it, but an equally big reason that center is in Cheyenne is because of Colorado property tax law--actually a 1982 Constitutional Amendment--is prejudicial against commercial and industrial property and prejudiced in favor of residential property. Though property tax is just one part of the picture, it's no surprise that Colorado sports a lot of tax-devouring residential sprawl and less and less productive industry--Colorado property tax law actually favors that outcome. Of course, woe be the Colorado politician who actually suggests that Colorado's property tax-spoiled residential property owners should actually pay their fair share of the state's property tax burden. As the old saying goes, "It you subsidize something, you get more of it; if you tax it, you get less of it."

Thanks for the clarification, the deep dark details are usually quite interesting once we know them, and often tell the story of what really happened.

Some of the counties around DC play games too, not with taxes but by restricting home building permits while not restricting office building permits. Effect of that is more jobs than residents. Since people like to live near where they work, it drives up the price of the artificially restricted housing supply in those two counties, with thusly HIGHER assessments and HIGHER property tax incomes without supporting any more residents or schools. Clever of them. Younger folks with less money, and more kids, move to outlying counties, where the infrastructure and school costs hit the outer counties. Beggar thy neighbor. For some reason, COLO took the approach of driving out certain things (like the WalMart warehouses) while seeking certain things, like residents.

[petuniababee]

Originally Posted by Josseppie

Avondale is a suburb east if Pueblo. It is more rural as there is a lot of farming in the area. Highway 50 is the main road that runs through there. It is a very nice area and people seem to like living there. If you have any specific questions I would be more then happy to answer them.

I was born and raised in lamar colorado. We used to go to the big city once a year ( pueblo state fair ). I have very fond memories of pueblo and the pueblo mall.
We want to move to a rural community close to good doctors and hospital.
I lived and aurora and monument at one time and hated it.
I really dont care for the east coast . My husband was born in brooklyn and raised on long island. He was surprised how friendly people from colorado are . What do you know about real estate, there seems to be alot of foreclosures ?

Thanks for the reply.