Pueblo isn't all that great... (Pueblo West: living in, title, tickets)

[jazzlover]

Originally Posted by Josseppie

Also, Colorado wants to make highway 50 a major free way from Pueblo to the Kansas State line. Here are some facts about highway 50:




Corridor Facts

• US 50 is a 3,200 mile transcontinental highway reaching westward from Ocean City, Maryland to San Francisco, California.
  
• From coast to coast, US 50 passes through a dozen states, four state capitols and the nation's capitol.
  
• Time magazine has dubbed US 50 coast to coast "The Backbone of America".
  
• The length of US 50 between Pueblo and the Kansas state line is 150 miles. This stretch of US 50 passes through southeastern Colorado's Pueblo, Otero, Bent, and Prowers counties.

Overview of the project:

The Federal Highway Administration (FHWA) and the Colorado Department of Transportation (CDOT) are working in partnership with government agencies, communities and the general public in the development and analysis of proposed improvements to US 50. FHWA and CDOT will prepare a Tier 1 Environmental Impact Statement (Tier 1 EIS) for transportation improvements on US 50 between Pueblo and the vicinity of the Kansas State line in southeastern Colorado. This environmental study, known as the US 50 Corridor East project, will build on the 2003 CDOT corridor planning study. This planning study culminated in a community-developed vision for the corridor that called for a safer roadway, on or near the existing US 50 that maintains a reasonable traffic flow and speed for the movement of people and goods along and through the Lower Arkansas Valley while providing flexibility to accommodate future transportation needs.

The link to the web page: http://www.dot.state.co.us/US50e/proj_overview.cfm

I can not think of anything more idiotic than promoting more highway construction ANYWHERE in this country. The automobile is going to be a dying mode of long-distance transportation in this country in a decade or less. Everything is working against its future survival: fuel cost and scarcity, exploding maintenance costs for roads, declining discretionary income in the middle class, environmental concerns, and just plain inefficiency. The sooner we let go of that t**d, the better.

If Pueblo wanted to be a leader at something, it should be promoting get itself back onto a viable transcontinental railroad connection, which it once had, and could have again. Pueblo's boosters should take a lesson from history--when its railroad infrastructure started sliding into decline and Colorado started embracing highways--it heralded the beginning of Pueblo's decline. The US's transportation future is NOT on the highways--it is on the rails. And Pueblo USED to be the rail center of Colorado.

I wish people had a future vision that extended past their car's tailpipe.

[iknowftbll]

I see. I understand about the city annexing that great piece of land, but that doesn't mean that they have to/will develop it anytime soon. I hope they don't. I think that's one of the only areas where you and I disagree regarding these two front range cities.
What are your thoughts on the mall? You've stated that Pueblo is a regional shopping hub, but one has only to drive another 45 minutes north for many more options. Colorado Springs has everything Pueblo has, and much more. But what if Pueblo were to completely rebuild the mall? I mean carpet bomb the one that is currently there and start anew? I say this because the location of the Pueblo mall is perfect. Perhaps they could lure Nordstrom, Dillard's, Sears, and all the other usual suspects into investing in such a project. That would enable them to compete better in terms of shopping, because Colorado Springs already has those things, located in 2 pretty decent shopping malls.
Just some thoughts.

[Josseppie]

Originally Posted by jazzlover

I can not think of anything more idiotic than promoting more highway construction ANYWHERE in this country. The automobile is going to be a dying mode of long-distance transportation in this country in a decade or less. Everything is working against its future survival: fuel cost and scarcity, exploding maintenance costs for roads, declining discretionary income in the middle class, environmental concerns, and just plain inefficiency. The sooner we let go of that t**d, the better.

If Pueblo wanted to be a leader at something, it should be promoting get itself back onto a viable transcontinental railroad connection, which it once had, and could have again. Pueblo's boosters should take a lesson from history--when its railroad infrastructure started sliding into decline and Colorado started embracing highways--it heralded the beginning of Pueblo's decline. The US's transportation future is NOT on the highways--it is on the rails. And Pueblo USED to be the rail center of Colorado.

I wish people had a future vision that extended past their car's tailpipe.

I take the view that we need both, a good rail system and a good road system. Pueblo was able to get the Vesta's wind turbine plant because of our great rail network one that even the Colorado Springs economic corporation says they don't have and they do not have the ability to attract heavy industrious like Pueblo. However Pueblo also attracts companies here because of our location by highway 50 and I-25, again something that Colorado Springs can never do.

So in the end, I believe, to be the most successful city Pueblo can be we need to utilize all the types transportation we can including highways, railway and air.

Also, I believe that Pueblo needs to utilize our location on the power grid as well as natural gas lines to attract power companies.

Only one other city in Colorado has the kind of transportation network, power grid and river location as Pueblo, that city is Denver.

[livecontent]

No, Pueblo will never be 500,000 people in your lifetime and if it suddenly gets to that population in that short of time--it will be a social and environmental disaster."The State Fair" is not a fault of Denver or this state. That type of event has been dying in all the states because there are now other venues of entertainment available.

What you are suggesting is to follow concepts and a culture of the past with large sport facilities and large university. Major Sports do not generate the economic wealth that they purport without government subsidizes--and it take a large city to be able to afford that extravagance. Large Public University will be a dying enterprise with the advent of different means of attaining education with virtual access to libraries and learning. The public will eventual move away from state support of higher education and certainly will not tolerate any more of the nonsense with college level athletics corruption of education. The empires and waste of large universities with their ever increasing budgets without oversight, will change, maybe not in the near future but eventually that system will die.

I do not see big airports being built as much in the future. What will happen is that intrastate and close interstate travel will be handled by commuter rail which will also connect to large regional airports. Airports are difficult to build, difficult to maintain. Air travel is an environment hazard and will never be fuel efficient. It can only achieve success and be tolerated environmentally,with long distance air travel. That is the reason why most European Airlines are more economically stable because most of the revenue is long distance travel and short distances are handled by the extensive commuter rail system in Europe. In addition, European Airlines are more publicly subsidized. Airlines in this country are in big trouble and the current system cannot be continued without vastly diminished routes which will be taken up by commuter rail.

Vast areas of the west have the opportunity to do it differently. We need to learn from the cities, the industries and the enterprises developed in the past; but we should not carry the same to the future, without an eye to what is good and what is folly.

Livecontent

[Josseppie]

Originally Posted by iknowftbll

I see. I understand about the city annexing that great piece of land, but that doesn't mean that they have to/will develop it anytime soon. I hope they don't. I think that's one of the only areas where you and I disagree regarding these two front range cities.
What are your thoughts on the mall? You've stated that Pueblo is a regional shopping hub, but one has only to drive another 45 minutes north for many more options. Colorado Springs has everything Pueblo has, and much more. But what if Pueblo were to completely rebuild the mall? I mean carpet bomb the one that is currently there and start anew? I say this because the location of the Pueblo mall is perfect. Perhaps they could lure Nordstrom, Dillard's, Sears, and all the other usual suspects into investing in such a project. That would enable them to compete better in terms of shopping, because Colorado Springs already has those things, located in 2 pretty decent shopping malls.
Just some thoughts.

I agree I have never really liked our mall but it is better now that they re modeled it and it is a private company so its up to them on what they think the area can support.

That being said as Pueblo grows we will get higher end shops that just comes with population and I am sure some will go to the Pueblo Mall and make it nicer. I don't think Pueblo can support two malls and before I see anymore malls I would like to see major shopping in downtown, the way it was before malls. That would bring more people downtown and give a reason for high rises.

Pueblo Springs is being done by a large group of developers in Las Vegas who will bring the companies out here in the new tech park they are creating. The only thing Pueblo is doing is annexing it in the city that way we have control on how it grows so it does not become a mess like some of the new parts of Colorado Springs are. The developers have said that they want the first phase to be large enough to pay for the project and given their location is Las Vegas and how bad California is right now I don't think they will have a problem finding companies to move here.

[Josseppie]

Originally Posted by livecontent

No, Pueblo will never be 500,000 people in your lifetime and if it suddenly gets to that population in that short of time--it will be a social and environmental disaster."The State Fair" is not a fault of Denver or this state. That type of event has been dying in all the states because there are now other venues of entertainment available.

What you are suggesting is to follow concepts and a culture of the past with large sport facilities and large university. Major Sports do not generate the economic wealth that they purport without government subsidizes--and it take a large city to be able to afford that extravagance. Large Public University will be a dying enterprise with the advent of different means of attaining education with virtual access to libraries and learning. The public will eventual move away from state support of higher education and certainly will not tolerate any more of the nonsense with college level athletics corruption of education. The empires and waste of large universities with their ever increasing budgets without oversight, will change, maybe not in the near future but eventually that system will die.

I do not see big airports being built as much in the future. What will happen is that intrastate and close interstate travel will be handled by commuter rail which will also connect to large regional airports. Airports are difficult to build, difficult to maintain. Air travel is an environment hazard and will never be fuel efficient. It can only achieve success and be tolerated environmentally,with long distance air travel. That is the reason why most European Airlines are more economically stable because most of the revenue is long distance travel and short distances are handled by the extensive commuter rail system in Europe. In addition, European Airlines are more publicly subsidized. Airlines in this country are in big trouble and the current system cannot be continued without vastly diminished routes which will be taken up by commuter rail.

Vast areas of the west have the opportunity to do it differently. We need to learn from the cities, the industries and the enterprises developed in the past; but we should not carry the same to the future, without an eye to what is good and what is folly.

Livecontent

You are talking social changes in society that to be honest I am not familiar with enough to make a informed comment.

One thing I can say is I know over time society will change and what we have today as our "reality" will not always be so and my hope is that Pueblo can change with it to be a successful city in the 24th century that we are now in the 21st century.

[Proleadership03]

Originally Posted by jazzlover

I can not think of anything more idiotic than promoting more highway construction ANYWHERE in this country. The automobile is going to be a dying mode of long-distance transportation in this country in a decade or less. Everything is working against its future survival: fuel cost and scarcity, exploding maintenance costs for roads, declining discretionary income in the middle class, environmental concerns, and just plain inefficiency. The sooner we let go of that t**d, the better.

If Pueblo wanted to be a leader at something, it should be promoting get itself back onto a viable transcontinental railroad connection, which it once had, and could have again. Pueblo's boosters should take a lesson from history--when its railroad infrastructure started sliding into decline and Colorado started embracing highways--it heralded the beginning of Pueblo's decline. The US's transportation future is NOT on the highways--it is on the rails. And Pueblo USED to be the rail center of Colorado.

I wish people had a future vision that extended past their car's tailpipe.

To Jazzlover

Why Pueblo have the home of Transportation Technology Center? We are leader of Transportation Technology, and that place affects all major cities in USA!

From the Website.

Welcome to Transportation Technology Center, Inc. (TTCI), a wholly owned subsidiary of the Association of American Railroads. TTCI is a world-class transportation research and testing organization, providing emerging technology solutions for the railway industry throughout North America and the world.
Headquartered near Pueblo, Colorado, TTCI manages extensive track facilities, state-of-the-art laboratory facilities, and a highly talented engineering staff to make TTCI the obvious choice for meeting your research and testing needs. We encourage you to explore our web site, learn more about us, and contact us to discuss how we can work together.

TTCI manages the Federal Railroad Administrations’ (FRA) Transportation Technology Center (TTC), located just 21 miles northeast of Pueblo, Colorado. TTC is operated under a care, custody, and control contract with the FRA. This 52-square mile, secure and remote site operates with a vast array of specialized testing facilities and railways. TTC enables isolated testing for all categories of freight and passenger rolling stock, vehicle and track components, and safety devices.

Transportation Technology Center, Inc.

Please Expain That To Us!

Proleadership03

[pittsteelerfan]

Originally Posted by Josseppie

The Professional Bull Riders is also headquartered in Pueblo, they moved here from Colorado Springs. Not many cities of 100,000 can claim to be home of a major company like this! Here is a description of them:


More than 100 million viewers tune in each year to the PBR on FOX, NBC, ESPN, VERSUS, and on a host of foreign networks across the globe. With approximately 500 hours of prime time programming annually, PBR ranks among the most prolific sports on air, in addition to attracting over 1.7 million live event attendees each year with it multi-tiered event structure which includes the prestigious Built Ford Tough Series, the Copenhagen Bull Riding Challenger Tour, the Enterprise Rent-A-Car Tour, and the Discovery Tour, designed specifically for entry level contestants. The PBR is headquartered in Pueblo, Colo., with additional offices in Australia, Brazil, Canada, and Mexico. The PBR prides itself in its 1,000 plus stock contractor relationships and over 1,200 PBR bull riders competing in more than 300 PBR sanctioned competitions in five countries.



The PBR building is the 4 story one on the left.

Professional what?.........You gotta be kidding me? I'm sure "Bull riding" is big out west, but Jessie, come on here...... I don't know ANYONE who's interested in 'bull riding', or who's even EVER watched it. I didn't realize it was even really televised. Pueblo's so-called claim to fame, isn't something people in most areas, or atleast 'cities' in America, care about.

[livecontent]

Originally Posted by Josseppie

You are talking social changes in society that to be honest I am not familiar with enough to make a informed comment.

One thing I can say is I know over time society will change and what we have today as our "reality" will not always be so and my hope is that Pueblo can change with it to be a successful city in the 24th century that we are now in the 21st century.

Pueblo is already a successful city. People get up; go to work; have recreation; have friends; enjoy what nature offers; enjoy the city amenities that are close; have a supportive government structure and good health care; many have a simple lifestyle and are well fed----I would call that a success.

Yes, there are also some changes, improvements and little adjustments that can be made, but it will still be a "success" if it remains as it is today. Those who can live live easily with modest pleasures will benefit from Pueblo. Let us have our place, those who are satisfied with the simple life, to enjoy the future and
Livecontent

[McGowdog]

The Do Drop Inn out in Pueblo West has a great breakfast.