Pueblo isn't all that great... (Denver, Colorado Springs: new home, unemployment, buy)

[Josseppie]

You guys have your sources that you site, I see them all the time on your posts, and I have mine. I just happen to use local ones, like the Chieftain and Gazette.

I have no motive except to talk about Pueblo and the economy in a positive way as I have looked on here and all I see it negativity when people talk about Pueblo and the economy in general.

That being said I do respect everyone in here and like our discussions, I am never mad and in fact I learn things all the time, even if I don't admit it, lol. In time you guys should get use to my style, I know I take a while to get use too, lol.

[SheridanL]

Josse,
I have posted pics of my backyard in Canon City (it was a stretch cuz' I'm not real good at it, had to have my DH help!)
A certain poster gets a little PO'ed when there's my tennis court in the background!! I have to mention that being in CANON CITY, I probably pay less than a 1 bedroom in Denver for my 2 acres,.....so there!!!!

I understand how much you love Pueblo, ( I go there from time to time myself BUT),...... you and I BOTH know how much better Canon City is,...let's not kid ourselves!!!HA!!

[Josseppie]

Originally Posted by SheridanL

Josse,
I have posted pics of my backyard in Canon City (it was a stretch cuz' I'm not real good at it, had to have my DH help!)
A certain poster gets a little PO'ed when there's my tennis court in the background!! I have to mention that being in CANON CITY, I probably pay less than a 1 bedroom in Denver for my 2 acres,.....so there!!!!

I understand how much you love Pueblo, ( I go there from time to time myself BUT),...... you and I BOTH know how much better Canon City is,...let's not kid ourselves!!!HA!!

LOL to funny.

I do like Canon City and would love to see more pictures of it posted on here of downtown the mountain view etc. I think all of southern Colorado, not just Pueblo, has received a bad rap from the state over the years and I would like to see us all change the perception that some from "up north" have given us.
My biggest pet-peve since I was little was being up north and people asking me where I am from and as soon and I told them their responce was "I'm Sorry". It got so bad that when I was in high school and College as soon as someone said that my friends would go oh no watch him go off, and I did on that person till he was apologizing, lol.


On that note I am off to the Springs tonight to hang with my friends lol

[SheridanL]

Okay, I grew up in Denver (the infamous Berkeley area, not so much when I was there!! 45th & Utica to be exact!).
Moved to Aurora, had both of my sons there(was awesome then, not so much now)...my oldest graduated from Smoky Hill High and my youngest (although born in Aurora, graduated from Canon City High.
Both are VERY successful soooooo, I say it's not where your home is but rather, where one makes a HOME!!
I like Pueblo and Colorado Springs, Denver, Aurora, Evergreen, Breckenridge, Vail, Golden, Arvada, etc.....don't like the eastern plains so much or the Northern parts ...but, I understand those who do.
I, having lived all over Colorado, prefer the Southern parts and the Western parts......otherwise it's just Kansas or Wyoming to me! JMI of course!!
Pueblo DOES have awesome Mexican food (my personal fave) but, so does Canon and Denver (just not so much!)

[Proleadership03]

Let me start off by saying that there are things I actually like about Pueblo--if I had to live on Colorado's Front Range, I would strongly consider it. But, thanks to Josseppie's never-ending clogging of just about every thread in the Colorado forum with "yay-Pueblo" stuff, I think some reality is in order. I will add that I have a number of friends who either still live in Pueblo or are from there.

First, geography. Of all the Front Range cities, with the possible exception of Greeley, Pueblo sits the farthest from the mountains--prospective residents should know that. Pueblo sits in the Arkansas River valley bottom. Yes, the mountains are visible from Pueblo, but--compared to other Front Range cities--they are distant. This obviously affects the climate. Pueblo, by Colorado standards, is mild in winter--but is also one of the hottest locations in Colorado in summertime, frequently with highs topping 100°. Also, because of its location flanking the Arkansas River, hot relatively (for Colorado) humid winds can blow up-valley with regularity in summer. That can make Pueblo both hot and muggy, by Colorado standards, fairly often in summer. It might not seem humid for those coming from humid climates in the Midwest, East, and South--but for Coloradans, Pueblo probably has one of the least agreeable climates in
Colorado.

We know city of pueblo in semi dessert's valley , and colo spring & denver in foothill of rocky mountain!

Second, the economy. I give Pueblo credit for having some success in pulling itself up by its bootstraps after its economic anchor--CF&I Steel--radically downsized in the early 1980's. Still, its economy is one of the weakest on the Front Range. Housing costs are relatively cheap in Pueblo, but still not cheap enough compared to local salaries and incomes. Pueblo is still overreliant on government employment, as well--though it certainly is not alone in Colorado in that regard.

In this week, The City of Pueblo has implemented a hiring freeze as it struggles with a $4.1million budget shortfall. In December sales tax revenue was up 2%, but last month alone revenues in Pueblo dropped by 13%. City of Colorado Springs in alot worster shape than us right now!


Third, crime. This is the biggest "downer" for me about Pueblo. Pueblo has significant crime problems for a city of its size. One can see that by checking the crime stats available right here on City-Data. Pueblo's crime rates are significantly worse than both the state and national averages--and have remained consistently worse for years. It has made a national ranking on several national "worst" lists for crime for a city of its size. I have lived in Colorado for over a half-century, and Pueblo has had that reputation for nearly all of that time. I have two very good friends--both Pueblo natives--who moved out of Pueblo because of the city's crime reputation. There are numerous neighborhoods in Pueblo that I consider just flat dangerous, and some others that I consider "marginal."

Yes, Pueblo have a major gang problem from victim of auto thief in spring of 2005! I trust pueblo sheriff department, and mostly everyone I know dont trust some cop for certain reasons!

Fourth, schools. Again, I give Pueblo credit for working to improve the quality of its schools, but many of them still fall short by both national and state standards. This, again, is a long-term problem from which Pueblo has suffered for as long as I can remember.

Our school is not closing, and colo springs planing for school closers to save to money. I don't know our test standard score!

So, what do I like about Pueblo? Well, the main thing is that it is NOT some megaopolis like so many of Colorado's Front Range cities. The really sad irony is that--if Pueblo's boosters were actually successful in turning metro Pueblo into a city of several hundred thousand people like, say, Colorado Springs--it would likely destroy Pueblo's only real positive attribute: that it is not some oversprawled, traffic-ridden, just-like-every-other-piece-of-crap American metroplex. If Pueblo has a brain in its head, it would continue to concentrate on redeveloping its core downtown, its older neighborhoods (which contain some of the finest turn-of-the-century Victorian architecture in Colorado), and abandon its grandiose sprawl schemes that it currently seems to favor (like every other moronic American metroplex). Pueblo does not need to compete with the idiotic growth of the rest of the Front Range--it just needs to fix some of its lingering problems with crime and schools. Those two things would make it much more attractive to many people.

I will repeat what I have said frequently on this forum: There are plenty of places where people can read the Chamber of Commerce boosterism crap about someplace. About 90% of that is useless information. Readers here need to hear a realistic picture about what places are really like. That reality is usually something quite different that the "propaganda" disseminated by those who have some interest in "promoting" something.

[McGowdog]

Originally Posted by Proleadership03

City of Colorado Springs in alot worster shape than us right now!

Worster? Really?

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Originally Posted by Proleadership03

I trust pueblo sheriff department, and mostly everyone I know dont trust some cop for certain reasons!

Billings is a great guy. If you say otherwise, you're suspect. Same thing for Kirk Taylor. I've known him since the 6th grade and he's a solid guy and was an awesome prosecutor as a detective. If you say otherwise, your cred is shot. If you're saying there are some bad city cops but the sheriffs are ok, IDK. Maybe... But the Police Chief is a great guy. So there ya go. If crime is so bad here, there's a great job for you. Be a crime fighter! Business is booming! Make lemonade.

Originally Posted by Proleadership03;7555245[B

Our school is not closing, and colo springs planing for school closers to save to money. [/b]I don't know our test standard score!

I can believe that. Moderator cut: off topic

[pittsteelerfan]

Originally Posted by Josseppie

Quick question do you know what major city on the Colorado front range has the best air quality? If case you do not know it is Pueblo in fact we are the only city on the front range not to have any of the restrictions they have from Colorado Springs north and the EPA even took out the air monitoring device in Pueblo as our air quality was always "good"!

When did "Pueblo" become a "major city"? I believe Denver is the only one that can truly claim the title of "major city".

[Proleadership03]

Originally Posted by McGowdog

Worster? Really?

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Billings is a great guy. If you say otherwise, you're suspect. Same thing for Kirk Taylor. I've known him since the 6th grade and he's a solid guy and was an awesome prosecutor as a detective. If you say otherwise, your cred is shot. If you're saying there are some bad city cops but the sheriffs are ok, IDK. Maybe... But the Police Chief is a great guy. So there ya go. If crime is so bad here, there's a great job for you. Be a crime fighter! Business is booming! Make lemonade.




I can believe that.Moderator cut: off topic

To McGowdog,

Your comment its very hateful to me and my learning disability "Dyslexia"! I cant stand people pt out my spelling and grammer mistake, and that is rude of them. I dont trust the pueblo cop after my auto theilf, because they do notting for my case. My own uncle is top sheriffs and he almosty give up his sheriffs car to crash into my car to get carjacker!

Trust List,
1. Pueblo Sheriffs Department, Most Trusted.
2. The Colorado State Patrol.
3. Pueblo Police Department, least Trusted.

Josseppie know my learning disability "Dyslexia", McGowdog!

Proleadership03

[McGowdog]

Sorry about that. I thought it was something, I just didn't know that.

Billings is a great guy.

Originally Posted by Proleadership03

Denver is small major city and poplation half a million people.

Come on now. Not this again. Pueblo is not a city, it's a village... a town at best. Denver Metro is 2.5 million people with another million dorks driving around.

[Proleadership03]

Originally Posted by pittsteelerfan

When did "Pueblo" become a "major city"? I believe Denver is the only one that can truly claim the title of "major city".

Poplation of 100,000 to 499,999 is mid-size city

Pueblo is small mid-size city.
Colorado Springs is avg mid-size city.
Denver is small major city and poplation half a million people.