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Old 05-17-2008, 10:40 AM
 
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Have you ever been to Southern California in your life? And when was the last time you were there-- 30 years ago?
Yes, I've been to southern California--I've probably seen more of it than many. Also, central California, northern California, etc. And certainly more recently than 30 years ago (less than 5, to be exact).

Get this right--I don't "hate" Californians. I hate what is happening in Colorado, IN PART because of the influx of them and the lifestyle they choose to pursue here. There is a distinction there. And it is Californians, who--for years--have trumpeted the "trend-setter" mantra of "So goes California, so goes the rest of the United States." If that is true these days, God help the rest of us.
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Old 05-17-2008, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Up in a cedar tree.
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Where is the love at? We're all humans, It amazes me how some people actually are, where-ever you live or things change. It changes for a reason. GROWTH!
Denver is not the only SPRAWL city. I know this, I see it here right now, I don't mind it. Love growth. If you hate it, pack yo' $$$$ and move. Go move into the country in some quite county and stop crying on the forum!!
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Old 05-17-2008, 11:38 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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I have to agree with the OP about one thing--you couldn't pay me enough to live in the ****hole that is southern California.

The problem is that all of the transplants from there (and other places) are bringing all of the same problems to Colorado--and fast. The reasons that is happening are 1) because of the sheer numbers of people relocating here; but, more importantly, 2) because about 99% of the people moving into Colorado from elsewhere are bringing with them the same suburban-sprawl-loving, automobile-centric, big-box retail/strip mall-dominated, water-sucking, resource-destroying, McMansion-desiring, debt-ridden, overconsumptive horse**** lifestyle that has made a place like southern California the unaffordable hell-hole that it is. If you want to know why so many old-line residents of this region resent the influx of outside growth, THAT IS WHY.
Well, at least you acknowledged the people from other places as well this time. I don't know why I should defend Californians, I'm not from there and I don't particularly like it, but. . . Statstics show that the largest group of people born out of state come from the midwest. Now, someone pointed out that doesn't mean they didn't live in Cali before they came here, which is true. However, they're not dyed in the wool Californians, either. When we moved here in 1980 from the midwest, I was surprised at the number of chain stores and restaurants out here, compared to Champaign, IL, Chicago and Pittsburgh (my original hometown). I don't think it is some new "Californian" phenomenon. When we moved here, my MIL said "oh you'll have Target out there", as if it were Tiffany's or something. But vegas is right, it's based in Minneapolis, part of the Dayton-Hudson chain. Now Target is everywhere, including Pennsylvania. Walgreen's, another chain that has branched out a lot lately, is headquartered in the Chicago area. So is McDonald's, for that matter. Kohl's is HQed in Wisconsin.

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Place of birth for U.S.-born residents:
(Denver)
This state: 222531
Northeast: 33351
Midwest: 89984
South: 56085
West: 50167
Population: 554,636, 17.4% foreign born.
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Old 05-18-2008, 09:33 AM
 
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Could you tell me why so many Californians leave such beauty and the ocean to boot just to live in Colorado?

I think Colorado is pretty to... but hey... the ocean, mountians, vineyards...

My question is WHY would you leave all of that to live in Colorado?

Thanks for the awnsers in advance as I am looking forward to hearing the responses.
Im so tired of Cal people moving here! Why do cal people think they are soooo superior to everyone? Seriously cal people are ruining CO's beauty!
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Old 05-18-2008, 10:27 PM
 
Location: Road Warrior
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From my experience most non-natives I've met are from California, Texas and Minnesota. However I do know that approximate 1,000,000 out of Colorado's 5,000,000 population are from originally California though I'm sure there's a difference if they relocated here recently versus 35 years ago (there is a saying if you spend 25 winters in the Rockies you are a native), so I will try not to generalize.

But California is a HUGE state, it grows by 500,000 people a year and has about 40,000,000 people that really dwarfs our social problems in Colorado. If you've been to Oregon, Nevada, Arizona lately, they experience more influx of Californians than we do, based on the proximity to California. I would say it's the same reason I and many natives would eventually leave Colorado, not because of "californication" but because of influx of population equating to congestion, higher prices, higher taxes, more regulation, illegal immigration and crime.

It wouldn't be a problem living anywhere if you had 5 million buckaroos but those issues do hit us middle-class folks. It's really not that much different from any other major city in the United States today really. Sometimes you see some folks drive around with "Native" bumper stickers, I've seen then in Montana, South Carolina and Florida as well.
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Old 05-18-2008, 10:31 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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From my experience most non-natives I've met are from California, Texas and Minnesota. However I do know that approximate 1,000,000 out of Colorado's 5,000,000 population are from originally California though I'm sure there's a difference if they relocated here recently versus 35 years ago (there is a saying if you spend 25 winters in the Rockies you are a native), I will try not to generalize.
Care to provide some verification of that? Just interested. It sounds awfully high to me, considering the people I know. Most non-natives that I know are from the midwest, as the birth-state data show. In fact, I know very few from Cali, either born there or moved here from there.
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Old 05-18-2008, 10:44 PM
 
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Care to provide some verification of that? Just interested. It sounds awfully high to me, considering the people I know. Most non-natives that I know are from the midwest, as the birth-state data show. In fact, I know very few from Cali, either born there or moved here from there.
Yup I agree, I wonder that as well but it might be that most Californian transplants relocate to Boulder? It's a piece of stat I got from the Denver Mayors Office just a year ago however, I'm sure you can give them a call on how to locate the data. Though this does not give the numbers but it does show the highest percentage of transplants are from California in fact the only midwest state in the top 5 is Illinois Metro Denver Population Growth due to In-migration of College Grads
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Old 05-19-2008, 08:49 PM
 
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Yup I agree, I wonder that as well but it might be that most Californian transplants relocate to Boulder? It's a piece of stat I got from the Denver Mayors Office just a year ago however, I'm sure you can give them a call on how to locate the data. Though this does not give the numbers but it does show the highest percentage of transplants are from California in fact the only midwest state in the top 5 is Illinois Metro Denver Population Growth due to In-migration of College Grads
My bad, actually it does give the exact number from 1990-2003, go to the right side of the page where it says "In-Migration" Stats, as you know Denver Metro is Denver and it's Burbs in other words, Denver City consists only about .5 million of it's current 2.7 million people. The most recent stat on the page gives 2002-2003 a 130,225 increase in population from out-of-state migration (13.6%) were from California. Though the "Midwest" does outweigh this porportion the Midwest is a region vs. California a single state. The percentage of migration from California has also slowed down in recent years, if you compare for example 1992-1994 the percentage of California migration was about 20%. The reason for this is most accountable for economy. In recent years Colorado ranked 4th highest in foreclosures, once the economy spikes up again, who knows when but so will job production, home ownership and 2nd home ownership, probably also more in-migration than recent years.

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Old 05-19-2008, 10:37 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Though the "Midwest" does outweigh this porportion the Midwest is a region vs. California a single state.
I clicked on the link and saw that it requires some navigation to find what you want. I'm too tired for that tonight. However, I will note that Cali has ~36 million people, and even the most populous state of the midwest, Illinois, has only about 13 mil. Ohio has about 11 mil, and most of the rest of the "populous" midwestern states, i.e. Minn, MO, and Wisconsin have ~ 5 million. Indiana has ~6 mil. Nebraska, our midwestern neighbor, does not even have 2 million, yet there are a lot of Nebraskans out here. Some other populations: IA, 3 mil; KS, 2 3/4 mil; ND, .6 mil; SD, .7 mil. The total midwestern population is about 53 million, about 1 1/2 times the size of CA.

Last edited by Katarina Witt; 05-19-2008 at 10:40 PM.. Reason: Left out Iowa
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Old 05-20-2008, 12:19 AM
 
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I clicked on the link and saw that it requires some navigation to find what you want. I'm too tired for that tonight. However, I will note that Cali has ~36 million people, and even the most populous state of the midwest, Illinois, has only about 13 mil. Ohio has about 11 mil, and most of the rest of the "populous" midwestern states, i.e. Minn, MO, and Wisconsin have ~ 5 million. Indiana has ~6 mil. Nebraska, our midwestern neighbor, does not even have 2 million, yet there are a lot of Nebraskans out here. Some other populations: IA, 3 mil; KS, 2 3/4 mil; ND, .6 mil; SD, .7 mil. The total midwestern population is about 53 million, about 1 1/2 times the size of CA.
This link would pop open the EXCEL file: http://www.metrodenver.org/files/doc...nMigration.xls
pretty interesting if your into stats and population change in metro Denver.
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