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Old 06-23-2013, 12:49 AM
 
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Old 06-23-2013, 02:42 AM
 
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I am Floridian and understand the plight of Californians as I once lived in L.A.'s SF Valley 20 years ago so their migration out is understood. However, I always wondered how Coloradans feel about The Great California Migration OUT, especially to their beautiful underpopulated state? I suppose the positive is the type of Californians moving to Colorado are people looking for positive changes so the undesirables are kept away. Personally, and not trying to offend anyone but if I were a CO native I might look at all these Calif natives moving to my pretty underpopulated state with high skepticism and I say that because Florida has big problems with immigrants, illegal and legal migrating from Miami northwards bringing bad elements with them to central and north Florida.

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Old 06-29-2013, 01:01 PM
 
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Working in Film / TV, I often see the exact opposite...
Many of my friends and co-workers have moved TO California for greater career potential.
Granted, some have 'returned home' to Colorado after tiring of $$$, traffic, etc.
Others seem happy raking in greater pay despite all the annoyances described throughout this thread.
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Old 06-30-2013, 01:37 AM
 
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This issue (i.e., California movement to Colorado) and the liberalization of the state is another that I am so concerned about returning to Colorado after living out of state for around 4 years for work opportunities. I am politically moderate and kind of libertarian, so that's not it. Also, I love California and many Californians, so that's not it. It's just the extreme shift of the state in a such a short period of time. It's also that Colorado is not in the same league as California in terms of income, so the higher COL sneaks up on you. Unlike California, wages in Colorado are currently much lower with some exceptions for national businesses, but housing and other expenses are high. (However, even these pay lower base pay for Colorado relative to the COL). I recently read that Colorado was #4 in terms of highest childcare expenses when examining a ratio of cost to income (yep - higher than Massachusetts and California). Also, the higher education opportunities in the state are limited. Employment practices and the economy seem volatile. They are an at-will state, and I was shocked at how quick they were to lay people off and fire people even in boom days of 2005-2006 compared to places I had worked in California and North Carolina. I absolutely loved living in Colorado. We left with very young children. The thought of returning and raising teenagers in this place terrifies me. It is so sad to think about not returning to a state I love, but I am wondering if it might be better for me to raise my children in a cheaper COL, save my money, and someday try to retire or vacation more there. I don't know. Very sad.
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Old 06-30-2013, 08:06 AM
 
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Really?

Highest childcare expense to income ratio? What a strange metric to focus on. It massively over focuses the concerns about cost of living to a single aspect that distorts the real cost to income ratio.

Housing is expensive? Are we looking at Boulder? If not, the housing is very reasonable. More expensive than Texas / Oklahoma, but much cheaper than almost anywhere on the east or west coasts.

Higher ed is limited? I'm attending an excellent Master's program here. What kind of higher ed are you focused on? Doctorate opportunities are mildly limited, but clearly do exist.

I'm not excited about waves of people moving from California, but I wouldn't mind too much if they would be so kind as to not vote. California was destroyed by the measures voted in by the people. They voted poorly, and the state is suffering the consequences. The last thing we want is their brand of not-thinking to come out here.

Often overlooked is the fact that California's high cost of living wasn't a factor a few decades ago. It was after massive building restrictions and rent controls that the costs got insane. I don't think any state really wants people to come and vote California ideals for them. We can only hope that those moving out of California agree that the state has gone in the wrong direction and are voting with their feet after being on the losing (intelligent) side of most measures.
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Old 06-30-2013, 10:44 AM
 
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lurtsman wrote: California was destroyed by the measures voted in by the people. They voted poorly, and the state is suffering the consequences. The last thing we want is their brand of not-thinking to come out here.

I recently spent 2 weeks in California. During that time, I encountered none of the destruction that you mention. In Nevada City anyway, the locals and the Bay area tourists seemed to be in very good spirits, and the environment itself was lush and green. Also, I encountered absolutely no one who is planning to leave California, other than some talk about vacationing in Maui.
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Old 02-10-2014, 03:59 PM
 
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Because col rocks
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Old 02-11-2014, 08:29 AM
 
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less people and Colorado is a better state.
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Old 02-11-2014, 10:15 AM
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Old 02-11-2014, 12:01 PM
 
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Yep, pretty much sums it up. This part especially rings true:

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Many of these eco-elites have very high standards of living and they gobble up vast amounts of energy in their lifestyles and in their national and global travels while they decry wealth-creating economic activities like mining, logging and oil drilling as they promote low-yield, wilderness-destroying windmills and solar panels.

Yet the elite Colorado mountain resorts like Aspen, Vail and Telluride, along with the entire Colorado tourist industry, depend on a constant flow of well-to-do and wealthy visitors from all over America and the world who use large amounts of energy to reach remote Colorado.
One other huge piece of hypocrisy that I've seen for decades is that "closet socialist" land developers are the worst villains about pimping Colorado to the rich transplants from other states that are ruining some of Colorado's most threatened areas--the riparian valleys in the mountains where 80% of Colorado's most endangered and precious species of wildlife live being a major one. Those developer slime profess to be politically conservative, but are the very first to socialize the costs of their developments on the taxpayers, while privatizing the profits to themselves. By the way, a lot of those jerks came from out of state themselves--Texas and California being two states that have contributed a disproportionate share of those creeps to all of the Rocky Mountain states.

Fiscally, Colorado is also making the same colossal mistakes that are now wrecking California. California is a state full of geographic superlatives that should have kept it at the very top of the national economy, but its failing economic and social policies are rapidly killing that Golden Goose. Compared to California, Colorado does not enjoy nearly as many geographic advantages--in fact, in many ways, Colorado is more geographically disadvantaged than most states, yet Colorado is making the same colossal mistakes. The effect of those will be much more dramatic in Colorado because the state is already at a relative geographic disadvantage.

The simple reality is that that you can not continue to add population to a resource-restricted state--think water here--especially when more and more of that population is semi- or non-productive, and expect anything but a bad outcome. That is especially true when that population is busy destroying the productive parts of the economy in favor of activities that are increasingly non-productive.
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