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Old 09-03-2009, 05:25 AM
 
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How are the relations between Hispanics and white non-Hispanics in Colorado?
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Old 09-03-2009, 08:12 AM
 
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That depends where you are and what variety of "Hispanics" and "Anglos" you are talking about. The resort towns and metro areas tend to have more immigrant Hispanics--some illegal--than do other areas. There are also a lot of immigrant Hispanics in places like the Greeley area, where there are packing plants, and in the west central vallleys, where there is still some labor-intensive agriculture. In those areas, all of the usual tensions that occur between the Anglo and Hispanic populations are there. Unfortunately, that group of Hispanics tends to seem more susceptible to the gang influence (along with the related drug trade). In fact, some of the "urban refugees" who have flooded Colorado from places like Texas and California are hardened gang members, who--of course--are doing their best to infect the local population.

The other group of Hispanics in Colorado are the old-line native Colorado Hispanic families. They can be found throughout Colorado, but especially in the southern half of the state. In some counties, those "native" Hispanics are the majority population. In that group, poverty is the main issue. Their culture is markedly different in many ways from immigrant Hispanics. In some areas--especially those close to northern New Mexico, they even still speak a variation of 16th Century Castilian Spanish--the area was isolated for so long that the language never modernized. Between this group and Anglos, there can be some tensions, as well, but the two groups have lived amongst each other for generations, so it's a little different. In some of those rural areas, neither the Anglos nor the Hispanics take especially well to outsiders moving in.

Of course, within any of these groups, you got a few of the usual "bigots," who despise anyone not like themselves, but those tend to be a small minority.

By the way, in Colorado and New Mexico jargon, any "white non-Hispanic" is generally referred to as an "Anglo," regardless of that person's nationality heritage. I've read of some "Anglos" from elsewhere taking offense with being called that, but it's the common reference here, and not generally meant to be offensive.
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Old 09-06-2009, 09:01 AM
 
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I would add, there are many Hispanics who have been in the US varying amounts of time, not just the recent immigrants and the old-time families.

In the pediatric practice where I work, there are many "mixed" Hipanic-Anglo families. The younger adults apparently don't have as many prejudices towards each other.
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Old 09-06-2009, 10:41 AM
 
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Kat is right--there are a lot of Hispanics who have been here variable lengths of time. The dynamic amongst the various groups can be interesting. I worked with a very nice Hispanic lady whose father immigrated to the US (legally) back in the 1950's. She would "go off" on "all those damned w******s illegally entering the US" (her words) more vehemently than any Anglo I know. I've found that same sentiment among many native Northern New Mexico Hispanics, as well. So, relations among Hispanics themselves are pretty complicated and Hispanics are not the homogeneous group that many Anglos think that group is.

By the way, I think the OP [ mod cut ] has posted variations on this questions in many state forums on C-D. I'm not sure what his motives are.

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Old 09-06-2009, 11:17 AM
 
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Kat is right--there are a lot of Hispanics who have been here variable lengths of time. The dynamic amongst the various groups can be interesting. I worked with a very nice Hispanic lady whose father immigrated to the US (legally) back in the 1950's. She would "go off" on "all those damned w******s illegally entering the US" (her words) more vehemently than any Anglo I know. I've found that same sentiment among many native Northern New Mexico Hispanics, as well. So, relations among Hispanics themselves are pretty complicated and Hispanics are not the homogeneous group that many Anglos think that group is.

By the way, I think the OP has posted variations on this questions in many state forums on C-D. I'm not sure what his motives are.

That sort of thing is common here too, in San Antonio, TX. In fact, I've heard the "w******" term more than ever from Hispanics, and maybe once from someone not Hispanic.

I am thinking about moving to Greeley and this is something I'm interested in knowing more about. I have noticed, when reading things online about Greeley, in forums, or reading reviews of places (like schools and such), that there seem to be a lot of comments about "Mexicans" in a derogatory way. We've even heard comments like that from family in Colorado (who are themselves Hispanic but seem to forget or pretend not to be!!)...

I am hoping it's just the comments of a few on the internet and not a sign of a lot of tension like this in Greeley. I have grown up in South Texas and have lived all my life in areas with a heavy Hispanic population and while there are some issues for the most part it's just not a big deal. My partner is Hispanic (well technically "mixed" but looks Hispanic and is always assumed to be such) and my older son is "half". No one ever pays attention at all to our "mixed" family. Everyone I knew growing up was either Hispanic, white, or the product of the two.

I don't anticipate problems but I hope I'm right.
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Old 09-06-2009, 12:02 PM
 
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Greeley does have some problems, unfortunately. There has been a large influx of Mexican immigrants, many illegal, who go to work at the packing plants in Greeley. Concurrently, there has been a significant increase in gang activity (and not just "wannabes") in the Greeley area, along with issues with things like car accidents caused by drunk drivers--who, sadly, are also often Hispanic. All of that has led to some increase in ethnic tensions in the area. A deteriorating economy and lots of foreclosures is not helping anything, either.

I've always appreciated Greeley because it is one Colorado's few larger cities that still has an economy rooted somewhat in agriculture, but it is not on a list of places that would be nice to live for me, mostly because of the illegal immigration problem. A lot, if not most of Mexican immigrants are decent, hard-working people, but there are enough bad apples in the bunch--including some really dangerous people, in my opinion--that there are frequently problems where they congregate. Greeley is one of those towns. And, yes I do have Hispanic friends who share that opinion.
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Old 09-06-2009, 12:38 PM
 
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Greeley does have some problems, unfortunately. There has been a large influx of Mexican immigrants, many illegal, who go to work at the packing plants in Greeley. Concurrently, there has been a significant increase in gang activity (and not just "wannabes") in the Greeley area, along with issues with things like car accidents caused by drunk drivers--who, sadly, are also often Hispanic. All of that has led to some increase in ethnic tensions in the area. A deteriorating economy and lots of foreclosures is not helping anything, either.

I've always appreciated Greeley because it is one Colorado's few larger cities that still has an economy rooted somewhat in agriculture, but it is not on a list of places that would be nice to live for me, mostly because of the illegal immigration problem. A lot, if not most of Mexican immigrants are decent, hard-working people, but there are enough bad apples in the bunch--including some really dangerous people, in my opinion--that there are frequently problems where they congregate. Greeley is one of those towns. And, yes I do have Hispanic friends who share that opinion.
Well I think I understand that, because I live in south TX currently and there are many of the same issues. I think the difference is that I live in a very large city and have lived in "rough" neighborhoods as a matter of necessity (financial) for much of my life, so I suppose I won't be bothered by what others might have a problem with if they are coming from a very safe, homogeneous, sanitized suburb. Know what I mean?

I just don't want to worry about my children experiencing problems for being "too white" or "not white enough".
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Old 09-06-2009, 12:59 PM
 
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That depends where you are and what variety of "Hispanics" and "Anglos" you are talking about. The resort towns and metro areas tend to have more immigrant Hispanics--some illegal--than do other areas. There are also a lot of immigrant Hispanics in places like the Greeley area, where there are packing plants, and in the west central vallleys, where there is still some labor-intensive agriculture. In those areas, all of the usual tensions that occur between the Anglo and Hispanic populations are there. Unfortunately, that group of Hispanics tends to seem more susceptible to the gang influence (along with the related drug trade). In fact, some of the "urban refugees" who have flooded Colorado from places like Texas and California are hardened gang members, who--of course--are doing their best to infect the local population.

The other group of Hispanics in Colorado are the old-line native Colorado Hispanic families. They can be found throughout Colorado, but especially in the southern half of the state. In some counties, those "native" Hispanics are the majority population. In that group, poverty is the main issue. Their culture is markedly different in many ways from immigrant Hispanics. In some areas--especially those close to northern New Mexico, they even still speak a variation of 16th Century Castilian Spanish--the area was isolated for so long that the language never modernized. Between this group and Anglos, there can be some tensions, as well, but the two groups have lived amongst each other for generations, so it's a little different. In some of those rural areas, neither the Anglos nor the Hispanics take especially well to outsiders moving in.

Of course, within any of these groups, you got a few of the usual "bigots," who despise anyone not like themselves, but those tend to be a small minority.

By the way, in Colorado and New Mexico jargon, any "white non-Hispanic" is generally referred to as an "Anglo," regardless of that person's nationality heritage. I've read of some "Anglos" from elsewhere taking offense with being called that, but it's the common reference here, and not generally meant to be offensive.
Same thing here in Arizona: a brown skinned person of 100% Italian lineage even with a Hispanic sounding surname is counted as 'Anglo' whereas a Nordic White Argentine of pure stereotypical Scandinavian background would be a Latino.
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Old 09-06-2009, 01:01 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Kat is right--there are a lot of Hispanics who have been here variable lengths of time. The dynamic amongst the various groups can be interesting. I worked with a very nice Hispanic lady whose father immigrated to the US (legally) back in the 1950's. She would "go off" on "all those damned w******s illegally entering the US" (her words) more vehemently than any Anglo I know. I've found that same sentiment among many native Northern New Mexico Hispanics, as well. So, relations among Hispanics themselves are pretty complicated and Hispanics are not the homogeneous group that many Anglos think that group is.

By the way, I think the OP [ mod cut ] has posted variations on this questions in many state forums on C-D. I'm not sure what his motives are.
Same here: illegal aliens are a slap in the face of those Americans of 'Hispanic' background.
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