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Old 11-13-2009, 08:34 PM
 
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Who says that things catching up is a negative expectation? Seeing developers going broke all over the place warms my heart...seeing development come to a screeching halt in Colorado Springs is wonderful.

My worry is that the idiots in DC, Denver, and City Hall will find a way to borrow enough money to start the cancer growing again...
But..but...the Club For Growth wants to get things going again . . . get our capitalist system back to humming along on all 8 cylinders...

What I find perplexing is that the Club For Growth is a solidly GOP creature, buts lots of conservative-talking guys hate the developers and the funny money silliness YET still vote GOP and wonder why NOTHING changes. And if Obama tried to change the status quo and refute groups like the Club For Growth and their running dog pals at the National Chamber of Commerce, the same conservative-talking guys would be calling Obama a commie pinko socialist terrorist. Sorry, but it doesn't make a bit of sense to me somedays.

Of course, neither my vote nor Bob's vote nor anyone else's vote counts. The only votes that count are those special green "ballots" printed by the U. S. Bureau of Engraving and Printing with the likeness of Ben Franklin on them that go to DC by the duffel bag load and are laundered via K Street influence peddlers and 33,000 registered lobbyists into the hands of those we think we elect to Congress to take care of "the people's business." Maybe if we get a public option in a health care bill we can all get spinal fusions for our broken backs since we've been bent over for decades by our so-called leaders who've managed to have us at each other's throats while THEY loot the U. S. Treasury, every state house and every city hall in the country. Of course, they'll wave the flag and shout God Bless America! and Support The Troops! at the top of the their lungs as drive off with tons of gold, just like Saddam...
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Old 11-14-2009, 10:31 AM
 
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Actually, Mike, I believe the liberals are often as guilty as the conservatives at promoting growth at all costs--they just do it through the expansion of government-sponsored nonsense--which they love to promote. What has developed in this country is a very unhealthy partnership of big government and big business--not at all unlike the Fascist/Nationalist/Socialist model that developed in Hitler's Germany. It is the worst of both worlds--an ever-hungrier-for-power federal government wishing to inject itself into the affairs of the average American (Obama loves that, by the way) in unholy partnership with increasingly monopolistic and oligopolistic gargantuan corporations that use their money and influence to curry favor with the government. True old school "Teddy Roosevelt" Republicans (I am one, but there are not many of us left) revile at that kind political/economic arrangement--because we fear big business as much or more than big government. Unfortunately, the large corporations have co-opted most of the power base in the Republican Party, just like the "big government" crowd co-opted the Democratic Party. That sordid arrangement is sending this country (and this state) into the dustbin of history. Meanwhile the two parties fight with each other and internally with issues like abortion rights, prayer in public places, and other divisive issues that--important as they may be to some people--will mean little when the economy and survivability of this country is a pile of smoldering wreckage. All the talk of morals, "equal rights," "compassion," etc. usually quickly fall by the wayside when a society confronts severe overpopulation, deprivation and starvation. Under such circumstances, even supposedly morally just, intelligent, and compassionate peoples (again, think Hitler's Germany) become capable of horrific atrocities and inhumane behavior.
 
Old 12-10-2009, 11:54 AM
 
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.....Myself, this sort of deal has been on my mind since we starting writing here about the pine bark beetle infestation. I say bring in 25,000 able bodied types to clear the lands of the dead trees and burn them to generate electricity in Colorado. House them in FEMA trailers or pay locals to rent them a room (gee, actually PAY the little guy for a change, instead of more corporate mega-contributors). If the wood is usable, make lumber, else burn it.
Minor progress to report.... Colorado Springs City Council approved Spring Utilities acceptance of a $250,000 USDA /ARRA Woody Biomass Utilization Grant to be utilized in modification of Martin Drake unit 7 boiler generating electric energy from co-combustion of beetle kill and local waste woody biomass. The $10 million project engineering will start in Jan 1010 for the receiving, storage and processing woody biomass to 1/16" particle size to be injected into the boiler. Actual co-combustion of a 15% (1000,000 tons/yr) blend of woody biomass with coal is expected commence in late 2011.
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Old 12-10-2009, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Centennial
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No matter what, lets all try to be as positive as we can and think that 2010 will get better and better for all of us.
 
Old 12-11-2009, 02:51 PM
 
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No matter what, lets all try to be as positive as we can and think that 2010 will get better and better for all of us.
I think what would be most helpful is to try and be as close to reality as we can for 2010.
 
Old 12-11-2009, 04:19 PM
 
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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I think that we will find that by definition the Colorado economy officially came out of the recession during the 4th quarter 2009.
 
Old 12-11-2009, 04:40 PM
 
Location: Englewood,CO
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I think that we will find that by definition the Colorado economy officially came out of the recession during the 4th quarter 2009.
I'll be more encouraged when job creation starts happening in a meaningful way. Hopefully thats soon.
 
Old 12-11-2009, 04:48 PM
 
Location: Trinidad CO
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i think colorado's been out of the recession for months now (at least since june imo). the housing market (at least in the north) has been somewhat improving steadily (if not slowly) and with the recent rise of the stock market again i think things will be smooth sailing from here on out.
I hope that you are right but I am not too sure about that. My husband is a high up state employee. Although we are lucky that his job is stable he still has had to forgo scheduled raises and manditory furlough days are going to be established in 2010. I believe that Colorado is ahead of the curve but that's not saying much.
 
Old 12-11-2009, 04:56 PM
 
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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I hope that you are right but I am not too sure about that. My husband is a high up state employee. Although we are lucky that his job is stable he still has had to forgo scheduled raises and manditory furlough days are going to be established in 2010. I believe that Colorado is ahead of the curve but that's not saying much.
Unfortunately by definition unemployment is a lagging indicator. So the economy will be in recovery well before the unemployment rate goes down much. That being said it has already started to go down and I am waiting to see what it did in Colorado in November.
 
Old 12-11-2009, 08:21 PM
 
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Both the national economy and the Colorado economy are going to do nothing more than dance through a minefield for the next 18 to 24 months--or maybe much longer. The only question is when and what is going to blow up next. My personal prediction is for a severe dose of commodity price inflation to kick in--probably before the 3rd quarter of 2010. That may actually help Colorado's agriculture and energy sector some, but it will tank the rest of the economy nationally, and will damage the other sectors of the Colorado economy not tied to energy or ag. If the inflation bug gets serious enough--and our "enlightened" (read: inept, crooked, corrupt, and beholden to special interests) national leadership's trashing of the US currency should see to that--interest rates are going to have to head to the moon to stop us from going hyperinflationary. That should pretty much finish off what's left of the real estate markets, and will rip the equity markets, as well. Nationally and locally, that is going to put most people in the sad position of seeing their retirement accounts and real estate deflating in value, while the essential stuff that they have to buy--food, fuel, etc.--will still be going up in price. They will also be pretty much shut out of the borrowing market--even more so than now. If our leadership bungles reigning in inflation and we go hyperinflationary--well, economic problems will only be one of a host of crises we will be dealing with. The survival of our representative democracy may be in doubt. People forget that it was hyperinflation and a debased currency that brought that paper hangin' SOB (to quote General George Patton) Hitler to power in Germany.

So, anyone who is naive enough to think that we are even close to the end of this economic mess, or even that the worst of it is past, is in for a real nasty surprise. At best, Winston Churchill's axiom holds sway here, "It isn't the end, it isn't even the beginning of the end, but it might be the end of the beginning."
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