Chaffee county blues .. "Property purchase advise Please"

[mrbarker]

Originally Posted by proveick

We have enought second "home" owners here in CO. Jump through the hoops. Follow the code or go back to Texas. It's there for a reason. RP

heheheh you guys sure do enjoy our money when we travel and stay in your area,, but dont like it when we try to move in and spend ALL Summer..
although we have met Many Many Texans who know own businesses in your county and support your cities need for revenue,.,.,.,.,.

[mrbarker]

Originally Posted by sterlinggirl

If all you want to do is to put a shed/cabin on the land, you don't need to own it. Change your purchase agreement to a long term lease, and use a lawyer to make sure that the lease will survive him selling the property.

We had thougth about something like that ,, lot of places have 99 year lease.
hmm thats something to think harder on. Any of you kow any one who has a 99 year lease on a parcel?

[Idunn]

While I can understand the desire to live simply, or that our bureaucracies often have far too many arcane rules, also the reason why anything under 35 acres should have county approval. Were it not you might quickly find your little (proposed) slice of mountain heaven surrounded by an odd assortment of sheds, outhouses, and other crap. Everyone else, seemingly, with the same idea.

Environmentalism begins with the understanding that we all live on a single planet which has a finite amount of any given resource. There is a question of a proper balance to anything. One doesn't, for instance, just pack nearly 7 billion (and rapidly increasing) people on a planet better suited for 2 billion, or 5 million (projected to double to 10 million by 2050) people in Colorado, which would be better off with 1 million, without thinking there will be consequences.

Every last person in Chaffee county puts a demand upon it, no matter how green they are, in sewer capacity, electricity, transportation, and a wide range of other infrastructure often taken for granted. They might decide eventually to subdivide everything into 5 acre parcels, or 500 sq. ft. parcels, with each having a commensurate effect. In the meantime it shouldn't be a surprise if the citizens there happen to like a bit more open space . . . without a lot of crap scattered about that someone else (far removed) wants to return to occasionally.

[mrbarker]

Idunn,,,
i could not agree with you more,, well said,,well spoken.
couldnt hav ethe whole state looking like tipcup ,, or pitkin,,

[55Spud]

Originally Posted by mrbarker

OK. My wife and I have for some time wanted the little spot in Colorado for a cabin. We searched and nevor could find anything we could afford. So we ran an add in the paper tellin who we were and what we needed. After weeding through the fee starved realtors we came across an old guy that we became friends with and he wants to sell us a portion of his property,
low down , low monthly.. 5 acres. We agreed with one another ,. I went ahead and gave him the down and have sent payments every month ,, Well, its been 4 months, the ole guy does not have the money to pay 2500 bux for a survey and + more for a real estate attorney..
but we have a mutual agree ment as friends for this 5 acres portion of his 20 acres. I totally trust this ole guy and we are close friends .. niether of us can afford the out right crazy survey , and real estate fees ,..,. What can we do .
We want to build somthing on this property ,, but not without paperwork I am not,,
We need some help ..
Thanks in advance!

Did your ol guy that you totally trust offer to sell you some water rights with the five acres or are you going to be able to get a permit to tap into city water? Because it's not like you can just go out and drill yourselves a well for your cabin. Well permits are harder to come by all the time, especially if you have less than 35 acres, which is the magic number in Colorado, and even then it's no guarantee. His property might not be legally divideable and if it's not, you will never have a deed to your five acres of land without water. Dude, I think you're screwed.

[mrbarker]

He Has Had a permit for a well on his 20 acres. The permit has since expired, but he dont seem to think he will have a problem getting another. He could not afford to drill befor it expired, If he is able to obtain a new permit. we were going to share the expense and the water of course,..
I read alot about water rights and realize its a BIG deal up there.
So even if this turns out to be a lifetime lease,. could the shared water well be included,.
or I bet they have another law against that ?? gees . how much water could 2 people possibly drink in 30 days ?
Any more suggestions on a long term lease would be great ..
leasing a section for /camping.. with the same terms the old fella and I made,, except after the last payment,, #134 ,. the lease stays active as long as my wife and I live?? what bout when he passes>? hes lot older than we are ..

Also wanted to post here that I found a little something that would bypass the strict subdivision requirments.. any input on this guys?
http://gigshowcase.com/EndUserFiles/4269.pdf

[Mike Weber]

I do not practice in that area, but had a couple of observations.

Originally Posted by mrbarker

Any more suggestions on a long term lease would be great ..

Sounds like something that should be prepared by an attorney to best protect all parties. These types of leases are common for cabin owners on National Forest lands.

Originally Posted by mrbarker

Also wanted to post here that I found a little something that would bypass the strict subdivision requirments.. any input on this guys?
http://gigshowcase.com/EndUserFiles/4269.pdf

In a cursory glance at the documentation from your link, it appears you will still need the survey you were not wanting to have done.

[jazzlover]

What did I say way up above in this thread? Less than 35 acre splits are subject to the county planning process in Colorado. The form you linked to is just that.

As to well water, you might want to read up here:

Ground Water in Colorado

It's just a tad more complex than your neighbor leads you believe.

And I agree with the above posts stating that Colorado already has way too many bull**** second homes cluttering up the high country landscape.

[PrinDi59]

Why build a cabin if you're going to have the use an RV anyway? Sorry, I don't get your reasoning. And 600 sq is more than you need? Sounds like what you want is a large closet. Why bother?