11-13-2009, 11:53 AM
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Oh geez. Why does everyone think this is a good idea? And who says it's good for you? Do you have any scientific studies to back that up?
Yeah I know a lot of people are "closet" smokers. So what? Lots of people do stupid things. I'm not one of them. But, I don't need to get loaded to be able to face everyday life.
11-13-2009, 12:22 PM
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Oh geez. Why does everyone think this is a good idea?
It's harmless at best. It's never killed anyone, yet its' illegality has killed literally millions of people via drug related violence. Legalizing cannabis will decrease the incredible international demand. Mexico and Portugal have decriminalized drugs with incredibly positive results.
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And who says it's good for you? Do you have any scientific studies to back that up?
Even the politically driven AMA is now coming out of the cannabis closet:
Medical Marijuana: American Medical Association Calls for Review of Pot's Schedule I Status | Stop the Drug War (DRCNet)
""Short term controlled trials indicate that smoked cannabis reduces neuropathic pain, improves appetite and caloric intake especially in patients with reduced muscle mass, and may relieve spasticity and pain in patients with multiple sclerosis," the CSAPH report found."
There are a plethora of other studies. Keep in mind, though, that the establishment at large has incredible motivation, and has for a long time, to denegrade cannabis. The pharma industry will take a major hit once mainstream Americans learn that indica's can help with everything from menstrual cramps to depression to nausea.
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Yeah I know a lot of people are "closet" smokers. So what? Lots of people do stupid things. I'm not one of them. But, I don't need to get loaded to be able to face everyday life.
I don't either. I also don't need to enjoy a steak a few times a week. Nor do I need coffee to get out of bed. Nor do I need the luxury vehicle I just bought-but all of the above are the little luxuries that add to my quality of life! Pot is not the type of drug wherein it's "omg I need a joint to get out of bed!" You don't see beggars on the street turning tricks for pot, for example. It's just a mild buzz that offers a few hours of pleasure for the healthy, and, in many cases, medicinal relief for the ill.
Have you ever used cannabis? If you are not comfortable smoking, you can vaporize. Also remember that various strains have completely different effects; it's not a one size fits all plant!
11-13-2009, 01:35 PM
Location: Denver Colorado
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Actually I can't believe it's taken this long in Breck..guess now they can change the 4 O'Clock Run to the 420. A few years back I was considering the purchase of the old Nick N Willy's franchise in town before it finally went bust..one thing we thought about was offering a daily 420 special. Ended up not going through with the business, but anyway people not familiar with the town should know its ganja mecca reputation is anything but myth there...The only real complications I saw with the pothead snowboard, culture was the constant whining about having to drive to Frisco to hit Taco Bell after a day of great runs.
11-13-2009, 02:24 PM
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Finally, a legalized miracle medication that will not only help my glaucoma, but also make Andy Samberg seem funny.
11-13-2009, 04:00 PM
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Pot is different then it was back in the 1960's. The THC level is 20 times higher on usual and also it's heavily carcinogenic and fries your brain. It's a hard drug and I know people that have died from being regular users.
Last thing we need is more pot heads on the slopes crashing into people.
Pretty soon the whole country will be high and under the influence.
11-13-2009, 05:30 PM
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11-13-2009, 05:39 PM
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Pot is different then it was back in the 1960's.
No it's not. Same plant, just been crossbred a bit via personal preference.
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The THC level is 20 times higher on usual .
This is true, and it is actually healthier. One or two hits of smoke will provide the effect a full joint used to. Of course that's a generalization, but alas THC is only a piece of the puzzle. It's not "harsher" per say. Saying it has 20 times the THC is not the same as saying it's "20 times stronger." Some semi-layered science to explain it in detail.
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and also it's heavily carcinogenic
No, it's not-it is less carcinnogenic than tobacco. If you consider that the average tobacco user smokes at least a pack a day and the average marijuana smoker smokes a few puffs a week, it relegates the smoke inhalation to a non-issue. Moreover, many people do not even smoke it-they eat it or vaporize it.
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and fries your brain.
No, it doesn't. Indeed, I've gained a lot of insight into the physical world while high as a kite on a nice sativa.
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It's a hard drug and I know people that have died from being regular users.
No, you don't. It is physically impossible to die from cannabis.
It's one thing to be ignorant-that's excusable. But if you could refrain from flat out lying, that would be appreciated.
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Last thing we need is more pot heads on the slopes crashing into people.
Pretty soon the whole country will be high and under the influence.
I'm starting to think I took the bait.
Are you serious?
11-14-2009, 12:01 AM
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thinkin about it
No it's not. Same plant, just been crossbred a bit via personal preference. This is true, and it is actually healthier. One or two hits of smoke will provide the effect a full joint used to. Of course that's a generalization, but alas THC is only a piece of the puzzle. It's not "harsher" per say. Saying it has 20 times the THC is not the same as saying it's "20 times stronger." Some semi-layered science to explain it in detail.No, it's not-it is less carcinnogenic than tobacco. If you consider that the average tobacco user smokes at least a pack a day and the average marijuana smoker smokes a few puffs a week, it relegates the smoke inhalation to a non-issue. Moreover, many people do not even smoke it-they eat it or vaporize it. No, it doesn't. Indeed, I've gained a lot of insight into the physical world while high as a kite on a nice sativa. No, you don't. It is physically impossible to die from cannabis.
It's one thing to be ignorant-that's excusable. But if you could refrain from flat out lying, that would be appreciated.
I'm starting to think I took the bait.
Are you serious?
Yes.
Anytime the pot debate comes up, the pot smokers always have a series of excuses and supposed "health" benefits about it.
However the reality I have seen is like alcohol, it has ruined lives, people's health and relationships with others. I've never seen anything good come out of it. I've seen quite a few people on it and all suffered from extreme bi polar behavior and serious health problems, including one fatal from cancer.
I lived in a variety of Colorado ski resorts for over seven years. Saw plenty of people on pot and dealt with all their freaky and dangerous behavior. My old employer in Vail we had an work incident that nearly killed a few people and when the mandatory drug test was done they were high on pot. We also had a series of other incidents that it turned out that drug was involved. Again never saw anything good come of it.
It's a drug that alters your state of consciousness. I don't want people skiing around me high on it, I don't want people driving around me on it, I don't want people at the airport working on my plane high on it, I don't want people operating machinery around me on it. I don't want to live next to people on it.
People that rationalize about it will post all sorts of studies done by liberal and pro drug organizations, but the reality is that it is a dangerous, health damaging hard drug.
11-14-2009, 12:50 AM
Location: Currently in Oscoda!!
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It's a drug that alters your state of consciousness. I don't want people skiing around me high on it, I don't want people driving around me on it, I don't want people at the airport working on my plane high on it, I don't want people operating machinery around me on it. I don't want to live next to people on it.
I agree with you on every part of this statement but the last. The odds are you probably already live next to someone who smokes it, or you live next to quite a few people who drink alcohol and smoke/chew tobacco which causes more harm then Marijuana does.
I DO NOT condone driving or working on it, but I should have the right to sit in my home and smoke it if I feel like it. I have been smoking for about 20 years now. I have never gone to work high, nor have I ever driven high. I have never been fired from a job nor have I committed any crime because of the drug.
I am a professional who has been working in the I.T./Telecommunications industry for over 12 years. I am far from being what everyone stereotypes pot smokers as...stoners who are lazy and/or dumb. My job demands me to keep current with the latest Technologies and I have been and will continue to have to study for the rest of my career.
Marijuana is not addicting the way alcohol, tobacco, prescription, and other hard drugs like heroin, meth, coke, etc are. Also it is not a gateway drug as all the non-supporters think. I personally have never done any other drug and I never will.
Just as some people like to come home after a hard days work and have a beer, or a glass of wine, and/or a cigarette, I prefer to come home take a couple puffs and sit back and enjoy my life.
The only reason the drug was outlawed in the first place was because of racism. The Feds used fear as a tool to convince the majority of the population which was white, that the drug caused people to commit murders, rapes, and robberies. It was the way for the Federal Government to put minorities in prison.
11-14-2009, 07:59 AM
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Loaded=drunk.
It's too bad more people don't use cannabis instead of alcohol.
Also, the word 'marijuana' was Mexican slang used to demonize the plant in the 20s. Cannabis is the scientific term.
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Most Common Occupations - Farming, fishing, and forestry occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Construction and extraction occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)