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Old 04-01-2010, 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by wanneroo View Post
I was shocked to learn in this thread that fires and floods did not occur before 1980? What happened!
Goes back to the old saying, "If a tree falls in the forest and there is no one there to hear it, did it make a noise?"

Fact is, there have been floods, droughts, and fires forever, but as our population has exploded, more and more humans and their man-made crap find themselves in harm's way. A goodly chunk of southwestern Colorado burned in forest fires in 1879, as an example. But the area was sparsely settled, and the human impacts were minimal. An interesting aside to that, there is some evidence that some of those fires in that year were intentionally set by the Ute Indians, who were to be removed to reservations shortly thereafter. Whatever the ignition source, the forests then were suffering the results of a significant multi-year drought, not unlike conditions in the past few years. The difference now is we have over century of intense fire suppression in the forests that has allowed an ungodly amount of fuels to build up--a condition that has not been present historically until fire suppression allowed it to occur.
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Old 04-01-2010, 12:50 PM
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Wink As goeth Rhode Island . . .

The OP is entirely correct. I wasn't going to say anything, particularly on the Rhode Island forum as they have enough to deal with, and probably do not wish to hear it. But the flooding they are experiencing probably is the result of our warming climate. Maybe not, as any given day or year can vary. But that they are suffering is precisely that predicted, in regions being both wetter and drier, and in all cases more extreme. So as much as they surely do not want to hear it, and would like to think this a rare anomaly, they had best get used to more of the same.

As for Colorado, we can expect more flooding as well, although never on the scale of low lying regions. But our forests are still being ravaged by the mountain pine beetle, this a large extent due climate, and large forest fires surely in our future. And the efforts of the USFS in butchering otherwise lovely forests will have minimal impact; they will have little more control than over these small bugs. The best solution remains in addressing the source of these complaints, which is in doing our utmost to forestall an increasingly warm climate. If this Earth always in natural cycles, what we have done has had a measurable and decided impact.

If we would not suffer such we should change traditional patterns and ways of being. That begins with perception.
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Old 04-01-2010, 12:56 PM
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As a weather buff and spotter for the NOAA, why do most all of the record high temps. date back to the 1800's?
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Old 04-01-2010, 01:26 PM
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I just did some quick research @ wunderground.com. I looked up the record high temperature for every day in the month of July for Grand Junction-CO. I discoverd the following:
* None of them go back to the 1800 hunderds
* The alltime high of 106 was recorded in 2005
* 13 of the highs have occurred since 2000
* 5 of the highs were recorded in the 1990s
* 4 of the highs were recorded in the 1980s
* 3 of the highs were recorded in the 1970s
* 1 high was recorded in the 1960s
* 1 high was recorded in the 1940s
* 3 of the highs were recorded in the 1930s
* 1 high was recorded in 1925 ( the oldest )
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Old 04-01-2010, 01:51 PM
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In Denver/Boulder, there are several record lows and highs set in the 1800's, in fact, most over 40 years ago.
National Weather Service Text Product Display
NWS Denver-Boulder, CO
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Old 05-08-2010, 11:43 AM
Location: Rhode Island (Splash!)
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Oh shucks, Nashville just got totally hammered by flooding in almost the exact some kind of rain event as we had in RI in March.

Sorry to hear about all the ruined fiddles and pianos (and homes and businesses). Maybe this is the Goddess' revenge for country music blacklisting the Dixie Chicks?

Nope, it's global warming/climate change. Seems kind of expensive for the Federal government and States if this keeps up...

Well, to quote a fantastic country singer named Seal, "Life goes on, whoah wooooowww-ee-ooooooo"

Oh, BTW, I see how nicely the rather low snowpack has held up this spring in the Rockies. That's just because in Colorado, Mother Nature's got one hell of a pair of balls !!!!!
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