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Old 03-31-2010, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Rhode Island (Splash!)
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Remember when Governor Owens toured parts of Colorado by helicopter at the time of the Hayman Fire (and other fires), and exclaimed to the media that "All of Colorado is burning today!"

Well, I sure understood his sentiment at the time as I was living in Boulder and very much aware of all the fires and smoke.

Owens really took some flak for that statement though!

Now I live in Rhode Island and we had an extra rainstorm or two within two weeks and our governor has had his Bill Owens moment, exclaiming today to the media that,

“None of us alive have seen the flooding that we are experiencing now or going to experience,” Governor Carcieri said, according to The Associated Press. “This is unprecedented in our state’s history.”

If it wasn't so serious for homeowners along the Pawtuxet and Blackstone Rivers around here I would just double over laughing.

Hah hah. Politicians !! I guess this is the stuff you need to say in public in order to secure Federal disaster funds...

By the way, get a clue people, it's global warming/climate change. Some places are experiencing episodes of much drier than normal conditions, and storms are increasing in intensity and dropping more precipitation. The climate scientists of the world have been warning us about this for years. Are we EVER gonna stop and listen??

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Old 03-31-2010, 12:50 PM
 
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When Dwight Eisenhower was president he once said, Things are more like they are now than they have ever been before. Even Yogi couldn't come up with that one!
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Old 03-31-2010, 01:00 PM
 
Location: High Plains
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Day by day the global warming alarmists are losing ground. Numerous studies have now been debunked by highly respected climatologists worldwide. In fact, several cases have been discovered recently containing manipulated statistics. I'm no expert in this area, but I do know the earth has never been in equilibrium, but rather in a constant state of flux.
By the way, the climate had nothing to do with the Haymen fire. It was started by a female park ranger upset over being jilted by her boyfriend.
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Old 03-31-2010, 01:49 PM
 
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By the way, the climate had nothing to do with the Haymen fire. It was started by a female park ranger upset over being jilted by her boyfriend.
WRONG! That is one of the dumbest statements I've ever read on this forum. It shows near complete ignorance of both climate and forest ecology. The IGNITION SOURCE of the Hayman fire was a female park ranger upset over being jilted by her boyfriend. The CAUSE of the fire was decades of fire suppression culminated by a multi-year drought. If she had not ignited that fire, it is almost certain that some other ignition source would have ignited it--man-made or natural. In fact, had not the fuel buildup from fire suppession been present, and had not climatic conditions (whether man-made or purely natural) caused a severe drought, she could have burned her boyfriend's letters for days on end with no ignition of a forest fire.

One of these days, when entire forests of dead lodgepole pine in Colorado are dried out and they find an ignition source--a careless human, a lightining strike or whatever, we will see the same circumstance again.
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Old 03-31-2010, 02:01 PM
 
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TungstenIton wrote:
Day by day the global warming alarmists are losing ground.
That's actually a good thing because it gives the global warming commonsense-ists more credibility. Perhaps a common sense message will be easier to hear than an alarm based message containing manipulated statistics.
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Old 03-31-2010, 02:28 PM
 
Location: High Plains
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WRONG! That is one of the dumbest statements I've ever read on this forum. It shows near complete ignorance of both climate and forest ecology. The IGNITION SOURCE of the Hayman fire was a female park ranger upset over being jilted by her boyfriend. The CAUSE of the fire was decades of fire suppression culminated by a multi-year drought. If she had not ignited that fire, it is almost certain that some other ignition source would have ignited it--man-made or natural. In fact, had not the fuel buildup from fire suppession been present, and had not climatic conditions (whether man-made or purely natural) caused a severe drought, she could have burned her boyfriend's letters for days on end with no ignition of a forest fire.

One of these days, when entire forests of dead lodgepole pine in Colorado are dried out and they find an ignition source--a careless human, a lightining strike or whatever, we will see the same circumstance again.
Allow me to clarify, as I do not suffer being called dumb lightly. I meant that "Climate change probably had nothing to do with the Haymen fire". I would wholeheartedly agree that it was exacerbated by decades of idiotic fire suppression, i.e., not nature's way of forest management.
I get so da##ed aggravated when people pull out the "excuse/default Chicken Little card" on such occasions.
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Old 03-31-2010, 03:21 PM
 
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TungstenIron wrote
Allow me to clarify, as I do not suffer being called dumb lightly.
No one called you dumb. It was a statement that you posted that someone considered to be one of the dumbest statements ever read on this forum. Take the time to make that distinction, and you are likely to endure less suffering.
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Old 03-31-2010, 04:57 PM
 
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Ahh, but if one isn't at least a little offended by someone accusing him of making a dumb statement, one hasn't much pride.
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Old 04-01-2010, 01:30 AM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Rising average global climate temperatures are a fact.

People do affect their environment - we can argue the specifics on a case by case basis, but fire suppression is a great example of how we affect our environment.

There are alarmists out there, but there is also a wealth of data out there pointing to anthropogenic influence on global climate and local biomes. I have posted many sources and links to such research on CD and other forums. I wish more skeptics would post like-wise research showing their position and understanding of the data rather than appealing to the masses with generalizations such as "numerous", "several" and "recently." It does little to bolster one's case and credibility when one doesn't provide direct references to the data one is using to make one's case.
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Old 04-01-2010, 11:29 AM
 
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I was shocked to learn in this thread that fires and floods did not occur before 1980? What happened!
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