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Old 05-20-2010, 01:09 AM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Okay, end of rant. back to topic. Forget the trail fees and crack down on littering. A$10k per wrapper fee should cover the cost of the trails and the patrol-men.
Now that's what I call dealing with the problem!

No. Seriously. I like that idea. It's unenforceable, but I like it.
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Old 05-20-2010, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Earth
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Just call me Methuselah.
I'm not really that old, I just got the impression that shuffler was in his teens or early 20's because he assumed that everyone hikes with expensive REI gear all the time, and that you would wind up dead in a crevass without it. And also because he mentioned hiking with his friends regularly which would mean he is probably not married with kids which would make him younger. I could be wrong, though. But if I'm not then you can just call me Monk instead.

As for knowing what was going on at the beginning of time, you're right, I lied. But I'm pretty sure Chief Scabby Bull was not sitting at the trialhead, demanding gold coinage to enter the mountains, although perhaps he should have been.
I'm 40, married, no plans for kids, and a former self-important bike racer who can attest to the uppity attitudes of the spandex-clad dorks, having raced on roads and trails all over CO. Hiking bores me, but the times I've been out has confirmed in my mind that just as many well-monied dorks enjoy it and spend a lot of money on gear they don't really need, and can afford a few dollars more if that's what it comes to.

Watch out, Gov. Critter himself just might be sitting at those trailheads, hand held out, demanding your fee. My preference would be to drive up, kick him in the nuts, and leave.
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Old 05-20-2010, 10:54 AM
 
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I'm 40, married, no plans for kids, and a former self-important bike racer who can attest to the uppity attitudes of the spandex-clad dorks, having raced on roads and trails all over CO. Hiking bores me, but the times I've been out has confirmed in my mind that just as many well-monied dorks enjoy it and spend a lot of money on gear they don't really need, and can afford a few dollars more if that's what it comes to.
So it sounds like we're pretty much of the same mind on the matter except that I don't think it's a matter of being able to afford the fee or not, it's just a matter of principle.
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Old 05-20-2010, 12:20 PM
 
Location: Summit County (Denver's Toilet)
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So it sounds like we're pretty much of the same mind on the matter except that I don't think it's a matter of being able to afford the fee or not, it's just a matter of principle.
That's what some people aren't getting.......it isn't the money, its the principal
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Old 05-20-2010, 04:45 PM
 
Location: Earth
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well, it plays right into the way things are going out here in the New West - "Pay to Play". A new principle we can reject or embrace, but either way it's coming.

Break it down to the least common denominator and it's population growth, plain and simple. More and more people using more and more amenities, man made or natural, which in turn cannot be managed effectively under current financial conditions. Throwing money at these problems will fix it all, of course...
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