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Old 04-13-2011, 01:51 PM
 
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Unfortunately I think this 5% may be the beginning of at least a somewhat accelerated leakage problem with Southwest book-ending CAE. Instead of just shuttling up to CLT for cheaper alternative flights, we now have three options. I don't think it will be catastrophic (you will still have a stable base of state/university/Ft. Jackson-generated traffic and some business travelers), but there will be a definite ceiling on CAE's growth for some time until we get more robust local industry growth. Without local business/industry growth, our airport will be another Lincoln, Nebraska or Harrisburg, Pennsylvania - a handful regional jets to mostly nearby hubs to maintain basic connectivity, but leakage to bigger and/or more assertive cities.

CAE's goal now should be to make higher-end business travel to the region as easy as possible, and that means maximizing our connections to the three major alliances' hubs, particularly longer-range and international feed. Vision Airlines, etc. are all good and fine, but they are a niche leisure product that won't significantly move the enplanement needle. Also needed is the last big infrastructure investment that can greatly help the airport - the planned extension of John Hardee Expressway to a direct connection with I-26.

Like Harrisburg or Lincoln??? Damn
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Old 04-13-2011, 03:48 PM
 
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Like Harrisburg or Lincoln??? Damn
I picked these cities because they are smallish state capitals that have struggled with air service leakage to nearby large airports served by low-cost carriers.

In terms of airport traffic, unfortunately, yes. Harrisburg has a less healthy economy than us (the city is practically bankrupt, I think), and it has been battling leakage to Baltimore with the huge Southwest and AirTran operations there for years. They also don't have a flagship university or large military base like we do. About the only famous thing of note is the nearby Hershey Park theme park. It did attract limited service to Florida from AirTran itself recently, though.

Lincoln is a lot like Columbia in being a state capital/flagship state university town. It sits in the shadow of Omaha like we sit in the shadow of Charlotte. Omaha is even closer to Lincoln than Charlotte is to us - a little over 60 miles or an hour away. So it's always going to only have minimal airline service to support very local business traffic. Omaha is also well-served by Southwest and a couple of other smaller discount airline operations. I will say that Lincoln sits in a state with a far healthier economy, one of the best-performing in the nation (unemployment just over 4%!), with its agricultural and financial/insurance industries, but I don't know how well the local Lincoln economy is performing specifically. However, at this point CAE has much better hub/big-city connectivity than Lincoln does - they only connect to 3-4 hubs while we're connected to about 10-11 destinations, including connecting hubs from Houston to Philly and major business airports like Reagan National and LaGuardia.
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Old 04-13-2011, 06:22 PM
 
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blip
I disagree that losing 4,000 passengers is just a blip. That's equivalent to 80 full flights on a 50-seat commuter jet going totally empty. Sure, one month of that isn't going to bankrupt CAE, but if this is a trend then it is an alarming one.
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Old 04-13-2011, 07:24 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Once people realize that Southwest really isn't that cheap and they aren't particularly convenient then they will be back. Every trip I've looked at on Southwest hasn't been cheap enough to overcome the inconvenience. I flew to LaGuardia recently and US Air up and United back were the best options.
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Old 04-13-2011, 08:18 PM
 
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Once people realize that Southwest really isn't that cheap and they aren't particularly convenient then they will be back.
Really?
Did you look at the erosion and drop in passenger number year by year for the last several years? This has nothing to with Southwest yet, though I'm sure Southwest will speed up the erosion. Southwest just started at GSP and CHS about 4 weeks ago. The erosion at CAE has gone on now for years. There is a larger problem with passenger numbers here. Not sure what it is, but I'd think the city / metro would want to do everything possible to turn around this decline.
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Old 04-14-2011, 07:33 AM
 
Location: Columbia, South Carolina
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Really?
Did you look at the erosion and drop in passenger number year by year for the last several years? This has nothing to with Southwest yet, though I'm sure Southwest will speed up the erosion. Southwest just started at GSP and CHS about 4 weeks ago. The erosion at CAE has gone on now for years. There is a larger problem with passenger numbers here. Not sure what it is, but I'd think the city / metro would want to do everything possible to turn around this decline.
Don't worry, gsupstate, they're working on it for ya.
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Old 04-14-2011, 07:55 AM
 
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I picked these cities because they are smallish state capitals that have struggled with air service leakage to nearby large airports served by low-cost carriers.

In terms of airport traffic, unfortunately, yes. Harrisburg has a less healthy economy than us (the city is practically bankrupt, I think), and it has been battling leakage to Baltimore with the huge Southwest and AirTran operations there for years. They also don't have a flagship university or large military base like we do. About the only famous thing of note is the nearby Hershey Park theme park. It did attract limited service to Florida from AirTran itself recently, though.

Lincoln is a lot like Columbia in being a state capital/flagship state university town. It sits in the shadow of Omaha like we sit in the shadow of Charlotte. Omaha is even closer to Lincoln than Charlotte is to us - a little over 60 miles or an hour away. So it's always going to only have minimal airline service to support very local business traffic. Omaha is also well-served by Southwest and a couple of other smaller discount airline operations. I will say that Lincoln sits in a state with a far healthier economy, one of the best-performing in the nation (unemployment just over 4%!), with its agricultural and financial/insurance industries, but I don't know how well the local Lincoln economy is performing specifically. However, at this point CAE has much better hub/big-city connectivity than Lincoln does - they only connect to 3-4 hubs while we're connected to about 10-11 destinations, including connecting hubs from Houston to Philly and major business airports like Reagan National and LaGuardia.

You are right.. Lincoln is very similiar to Columbia.. and after I did a little research on it.. It doesnt appear to be all that bad of a City.. I guess the whole idea of being compared to a city in Nebraska shocked me a little bit.. Harrisburg on the other hand does have some problems.. and other than being the State Capital is not know for much else.
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Old 04-14-2011, 10:37 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Really?
Did you look at the erosion and drop in passenger number year by year for the last several years? This has nothing to with Southwest yet, though I'm sure Southwest will speed up the erosion. Southwest just started at GSP and CHS about 4 weeks ago. The erosion at CAE has gone on now for years. There is a larger problem with passenger numbers here. Not sure what it is, but I'd think the city / metro would want to do everything possible to turn around this decline.
Frankly, I haven't yet found a flight on SW that will save much money or increase convenience.
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Old 04-15-2011, 01:18 AM
 
Location: Cumberland Valley, PA, & Greenville, SC, USA
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Well, for comparison's (Comparing is staying on topic, right?) sake I must say I'm shocked at the numbers this November, 2010, article provided about GSP's air traffic. I assumed GSP had significantly more than CAE already. The rebounding jobs picture in the Upstate does seem to be causing a significant increase up there. That's good for the state. CAE will be fine.

GSA Business | Greenville, SC | Spartanburg, SC | Anderson, SC
140,292 passengers reported at GSP in March.

Source: GSA Business | Greenville, SC | Spartanburg, SC | Anderson, SC
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Old 04-15-2011, 07:06 AM
 
Location: Columbia, South Carolina
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140,292 passengers reported at GSP in March.

Source: GSA Business | Greenville, SC | Spartanburg, SC | Anderson, SC
And CAE's?
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