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Old 12-14-2017, 07:02 PM
 
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Where did you see $4 billion in the article?
They were referring to Jefferson County, Alabama, which filed for a $4.23 billion bankruptcy in November 2011. This Richland County plan is definitely in the 100's of millions range.

One year ago Jefferson County emerged from bankruptcy. Did Wall Street fleece the County Commission?
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Old 12-15-2017, 06:40 PM
 
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They were referring to Jefferson County, Alabama, which filed for a $4.23 billion bankruptcy in November 2011. This Richland County plan is definitely in the 100's of millions range.

One year ago Jefferson County emerged from bankruptcy. Did Wall Street fleece the County Commission?
Gotcha.
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Old 12-20-2017, 09:01 AM
 
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.. This is what pisses me off with City of Columbia but more so with Richland County.


1) Has anyone considered a joint government center? The City had plans do a PPP and build a highrise on Laurel and Main..that could accommodate both the City and the County. The County could still build the judicial center on Harden Street but hopefully leave room for some private development like lawyers offices.


2) Why in the hell do we need a Transit/Welcome Center for Richland County? NO ONE has said.. that on their next vacation.. they want to visit RICHLAND COUNTY.. Richland County and Columbia are ONE.. That is why there is a Convention and Visitors Bureau to serve not only Richland.. but the entire Midland. There is also an effort to build an intermodal downtown..so why build another bus terminal in St Andrews of all places. And, Whats the point of an incubator in St. Andrews? Nobody is transferring from buses out there?


3) The County could sell the old Judical Center on Main St and make some $$ OR simplely Ground Lease it and collect annual lease payments.


The only upside to this idea.. is if they purchased Columbia Place and made it into a Government Complex.. I would prefer that they stay downtown and partner with the City.. but I could live with them improving Columbia Place and turning that a portion of that into an incubator since it is a friggin mall and already set up for retail. If the County owns it they could control the rents and make it more affordable for a variety of start ups..


The aquatic center in Lower Richland is also ill conceived.. As other members of Council has said.. pave the roads and build water and sewer so that end of the County can develop.. That would improve the tax base.. Do that FIRST.. think about the Aquatic Center later. Again... this is another opportunity to partner with the City and do joint facilities that serve everyone.. Richland County seems to forget the City taxpayers are COUNTY taxpayers too...




Key questions remain over Richland County Renaissance | The State
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Old 12-20-2017, 11:44 AM
 
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.. This is what pisses me off with City of Columbia but more so with Richland County.


1) Has anyone considered a joint government center? The City had plans do a PPP and build a highrise on Laurel and Main..that could accommodate both the City and the County. The County could still build the judicial center on Harden Street but hopefully leave room for some private development like lawyers offices.


2) Why in the hell do we need a Transit/Welcome Center for Richland County? NO ONE has said.. that on their next vacation.. they want to visit RICHLAND COUNTY.. Richland County and Columbia are ONE.. That is why there is a Convention and Visitors Bureau to serve not only Richland.. but the entire Midland. There is also an effort to build an intermodal downtown..so why build another bus terminal in St Andrews of all places. And, Whats the point of an incubator in St. Andrews? Nobody is transferring from buses out there?


3) The County could sell the old Judical Center on Main St and make some $$ OR simplely Ground Lease it and collect annual lease payments.


The only upside to this idea.. is if they purchased Columbia Place and made it into a Government Complex.. I would prefer that they stay downtown and partner with the City.. but I could live with them improving Columbia Place and turning that a portion of that into an incubator since it is a friggin mall and already set up for retail. If the County owns it they could control the rents and make it more affordable for a variety of start ups..


The aquatic center in Lower Richland is also ill conceived.. As other members of Council has said.. pave the roads and build water and sewer so that end of the County can develop.. That would improve the tax base.. Do that FIRST.. think about the Aquatic Center later. Again... this is another opportunity to partner with the City and do joint facilities that serve everyone.. Richland County seems to forget the City taxpayers are COUNTY taxpayers too...




Key questions remain over Richland County Renaissance | The State
The problem is that South Carolina has outdated annexation laws in the name of personal liberty or some BS like that. In many states counties are responsible for schools and providing general services to less populated areas and cities provides services unique to urban and suburban needs. Richland County has to operate as a few quasi cities, and this causes confusion and duplication of many services. It would be more prudent for the city and county to combine.

As to the location of the offices, I think much of that has to do with the fact that downtown Columbia is not smack in the middle of the county, like Mecklenburg or Greenville.
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Old 12-20-2017, 06:50 PM
 
Location: Columbia,SC
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Ooooo

Popular plaza outside Columbia’s art museum will look completely different next year

Columbia Museum of Art
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Old 12-25-2017, 02:16 PM
 
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Re: Plaza outside of CMA:Why spend money on that? It looks fine the way it is. In fact it looks better now than the proposed renovation.
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Old 12-25-2017, 02:31 PM
 
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Default Itís all private money/ not a public project

Boyd paint for the renovation, they can do whatever they want, looks good to me re renovation rendering
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Old 12-25-2017, 07:15 PM
 
Location: Columbia,SC
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Re: Plaza outside of CMA:Why spend money on that? It looks fine the way it is. In fact it looks better now than the proposed renovation.
the rendering looks way better then what it looks like now.
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Old 12-26-2017, 06:30 PM
 
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the rendering looks way better then what it looks like now.
There's no accounting for taste!
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Old 12-27-2017, 08:19 AM
 
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The problem is that South Carolina has outdated annexation laws in the name of personal liberty or some BS like that. In many states counties are responsible for schools and providing general services to less populated areas and cities provides services unique to urban and suburban needs. Richland County has to operate as a few quasi cities, and this causes confusion and duplication of many services. It would be more prudent for the city and county to combine.

As to the location of the offices, I think much of that has to do with the fact that downtown Columbia is not smack in the middle of the county, like Mecklenburg or Greenville.


I think this is.. in part... an effort to thwart any type of consolidation. If Richland County and the City of Columbia were to joint venture on a government center at Laurel and Sumter across from City Hall .. not only would it serve the taxpayers by providing the convenience of having the City and County Services in one place.. it would be some cost savings in terms of construction and operations not to mention giving our city the intangible benefit of having a new highrise or atleast twin midrises. By moving it out to Columbia Place and bonding millions of dollars that would preclude co location which would be the first step towards some form of consolidation which I think scares Richland County Council reps more than City Council Reps. A joint government like Augusta-Richmond.. may cause some high level bureaucrats and some politicos to lose their jobs.. I believe Charlotte-Mech only have some office consolidated as opposed to a joint government?


At any rate Richland County with this latest stunt may cause their fear to come true as taxpayers may begin to clamour for less or more efficient government which will cause people to start talking about consolidation.... I mean really both the City of Columbia and Richland County are BOTH talking about Government Centers in opposite ends of community and it will ultimately cost the tax payers over a half a billion dollars collectively to build.. and that is just for GOVERMENT OFFICES.. not roads, water, sewer, affordable housing, etc etc....and a Government Center though nice and a good representation of the seat of government doesn't generate tax revenues..beyond sales tax at restaurants where employees and visitors may dine. I don't see how the voters will allow that to happen especially in City of Columbia since they will be paying twice...once as city residents and once as county residents...in addition to underwriting all the things like Bull Street development and other economic development projects.
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