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Frank Howard had a losing record to the Gamecocks.
See how you can play this any way you want to?
60-40 is not domination.
CLemson is clearly the better program based on head to head matchups and overal results. You've beneifited from two high profile coaches in a row but I think once you guys have to hire somebody who hasn't coached at Florida or ND, you going to get similar results pre-Spurrier. You really didn't do much with Spurrier until the last 3 years and since no SEC title and you only made it to the SEC title game 1 year and AUburn crushed you. Then you got whipped by FSU a month later in your bowl game. You guys always act like you would own the ACC if you were in it but FSU, Va Tech, Miami and several other teams would beat you most years.
If I'm not mistaken, Bowden was 7-2 against USC and part of that included the Lou HOtlz era. So the coach vs coach thing will go against you in the end.
yeah but a lot of that is Clemson was at its low point (coach fired midway through season) while USC was at its highest point ever. Just kind of luck. I would say only two the past 4 seasons USC has been a better team than Clemson. Last year, and the first year in your run, the teams were even and I think Clemson was better overall. I think most teams out there would have much rather gone up against your stagnant offense than Clemson's offense. USC is really just more of a matchup problem for Clemson in recent years, with Clowney, than a better team. You guys got to squeak out most of your wins, Clemson's margin of victory is much higher.
yeah but a lot of that is Clemson was at its low point (coach fired midway through season) while USC was at its highest point ever. Just kind of luck. I would say only two the past 4 seasons USC has been a better team than Clemson. Last year, and the first year in your run, the teams were even and I think Clemson was better overall. I think most teams out there would have much rather gone up against your stagnant offense than Clemson's offense. USC is really just more of a matchup problem for Clemson in recent years, with Clowney, than a better team. You guys got to squeak out most of your wins, Clemson's margin of victory is much higher.
Dabo beat USC on his first try, when clemson was at its "low point."
And actually, IMO in 2009, clemson was miles ahead of USC. That one surprised me.
In 2010, I felt very confident we were going to win big, and we did.
2011 I thought we were pretty evenly matched going into the game, figured USC would win by a TD give or take.
2012 also came as a bit of a shock. Even with clemson's high-flying offense, I thought we'd keep it close, even with our QB issues, wasn't sure we'd pull out the win though.
clemson has had some excellent teams the last 4 years (save for 2010), the best since the Ford era IMO. That USC has managed to pull off this streak against this quality of a team says a lot about USC more than just "lucking into it." Defense and line play, the very things that did allow clemson to dominate during stretches in the 1980's and early 2000's (okay, okay, I'll give that you did dominate those periods during the rivalry...), have been the key for us.
Dabo beat USC on his first try, when clemson was at its "low point."
And actually, IMO in 2009, clemson was miles ahead of USC. That one surprised me.
In 2010, I felt very confident we were going to win big, and we did.
2011 I thought we were pretty evenly matched going into the game, figured USC would win by a TD give or take.
2012 also came as a bit of a shock. Even with clemson's high-flying offense, I thought we'd keep it close, even with our QB issues, wasn't sure we'd pull out the win though.
clemson has had some excellent teams the last 4 years (save for 2010), the best since the Ford era IMO. That USC has managed to pull off this streak against this quality of a team says a lot about USC more than just "lucking into it." Defense and line play, the very things that did allow clemson to dominate during stretches in the 1980's and early 2000's (okay, okay, I'll give that you did dominate those periods during the rivalry...), have been the key for us.
well you guys got lucky last year and I think Clemson prepared for the running QB and got the passing one who is more talented in my view. That guy was converting a lot of 3rd and longs, meaning our really bad defense was forcing you into 3rd and longs, and your qb was able to make throws. Reality is you are going to lose most games like that b/c he isn't talented enoughh to do that most games. So you won but even despite dominating TOP, you only won by 10.
All Clemson has to do is get the defense fixed, mainly the secondary, but also get little more pressure on the QB, and they can beat USC b/c you guys had an average, really below average offense last year. You don't have to score tha many points on LSU and FLorida, esepcially with a good defense liks SC, yet you didn't look very good in either of those games. Those good dfenses take away Conor's desire to run and make him throw and when you do that, SC isn't going to move the ball consistently.
I do think if Conor had started this year, Clemson would have won by at least two touchdowns. He just looked horrible in your other two touch road tests. He's a lot better passer at home.
Clemson was 12-2 last season. Even great teams are going to lose once or twice. WIth a sorry defense like that, to go 12-2 is a big accomplishment. I can live with SC being our worse loss of the season but it isn't like you don't have some NFL type talent like Clowney who isn't your typical SC player. It's not the end of the world we lost to SC 4 times, it just gets hyped up b/c of the rivalry. We've beaten NC State like 7 out of the last 8. that is a big rivalry. You guys lost 3 out of last 4 to Arkansas which seems to negate the Clemson wins as kind of a fluke b/c Arkansas really isn't much better program than SC.
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