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Thanks for you're constructive comments on that, I am learning so much and your the one two thank!
Furthermore, you still didn't answer my question, would YOU not be fearful of you and your family on Main St when you're approached by someone continuing to ask for change?
Unless I feel there is a legitimate threat to my or my family's safety, some homeless person continuing to ask for change would not make me fearful.
I say that from experience. Imo, it's an overreaction, especially for a man, to be in fear for your life because a homeless person asked you for money after you told him/her no.
Last edited by AddaVisser; 11-14-2013 at 10:15 AM..
I say that from experience. Imo, it's an overreaction, especially for a man, to be in fear for your life because a homeless person asked you for money after you told him/her no.
Well there is my point right there, fear is subjective. Sure you may not be in fear of that, but someone might be. This exact thing happened to my friend's girlfriend down there and she was fearful and rightfully so. You or I may not have been fearful in that situation but her and many other might be, thus by the letter of the law, would qualify as harassment.
I think alot of times it may be an over reaction for some as well, but thats just my opinion as well, not the law as there is so much grey area with it.
You clearly don't even understand the letter of harassment laws so I wish you would stop.
The law states there must be a reasonable fear. Someone simply asking you for money after you already said no doesn't create a reasonable fear for your safety so it does not qualify for harassment the same way someone walking behind you in public wouldn't automatically constitute stalking.
Scenario 1:
Homeless Person: Can you spare some change?
Person B: No!
Homeless Person: Not even a few cents, I just need to get "X"
Person B: I said...cut off by homeless person
Homeless Person: Come on just like 75 cents
Person B: NO!
Homeless Person: A$$hole
Scenario 2:
Homeless Person: Can you spare some change?
Person B: No!
Homeless Person: Yeah you can, I see you all the time you always have money
Person B: I said No!
Homeless Person: You can either give it to me or...
Person B: Or what?
Homeless Person: Or I will take it. I'll f##k you up!
In scenario one the homeless person may have been everything between annoying and rude, but no harassment occurred nor did the situation create a reasonable level of fear for Person B. There was no threat to the person or the person's family. However in scenario 2 the homeless person is clearly making threats to the person's safety so there is a reasonable level of fear.
You clearly don't even understand the letter of harassment laws so I wish you would stop.
The law states there must be a reasonable fear. Someone simply asking you for money after you already said no doesn't create a reasonable fear for your safety so it does not qualify for harassment the same way someone walking behind you in public wouldn't automatically constitute stalking.
Scenario 1:
Homeless Person: Can you spare some change?
Person B: No!
Homeless Person: Not even a few cents, I just need to get "X"
Person B: I said...cut off by homeless person
Homeless Person: Come on just like 75 cents
Person B: NO!
Homeless Person: A$$hole
Scenario 2:
Homeless Person: Can you spare some change?
Person B: No!
Homeless Person: Yeah you can, I see you all the time you always have money
Person B: I said No!
Homeless Person: You can either give it to me or...
Person B: Or what?
Homeless Person: Or I will take it. I'll f##k you up!
In scenario one the homeless person may have been everything between annoying and rude, but no harassment occurred nor did the situation create a reasonable level of fear for Person B. There was no threat to the person or the person's family. However in scenario 2 the homeless person is clearly making threats to the person's safety so there is a reasonable level of fear.
Look im not saying I disagree with you that homeless person repeatedly asking for change creates a reasonable fear for our safety in our opinions and to be honest I have never once been scared of a homeless person given the fact that I am very confident I can physically handle them if need be. What I dont understand and perhaps you can provide some insight here, is how is "reasonable fear" not subjective? I know to you and I situation one would not be enough to cause reasonable fear for either of us, but it very well could with someone else like my friends girlfriend who is a tiny 22 year old female and could not fend for herself if situation one or two got physical and with her not knowing what could happen, that would be enough for her to be reasonably fearful for her safety so the way the law reads its incredibly subjective since fear is something that all people look at differently. So do people who are not like you and I and are fearful for their safety in either of the situations you portrayed wrong for being in reasonable fear and not have a right to a reasonable expectation of safety? It just seems incredibly subjective to me.
This thread needs to die already. It's got more red herrings than an English diner.
Lol.
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