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Old 10-21-2013, 10:04 AM
 
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COLUMBIA, SC: Richland sheriff: give Five Points pedestrian area a chance? | Crime | The State

Seriously? No, like are you being for real ACLU or is this just a sarcastic response that someone wanted to say and in actuality your not that stupid?

QUIT getting in the way of protecting OUR community and help put an end to the VIOLENCE that has tragically affected ALL OF US!
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Old 10-21-2013, 10:14 AM
 
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I don't see how "“The community should explore ways to prevent violent crimes that do not infringe on the civil liberties of whole groups of people or turn a neighborhood into a militarized zone." is a stupid statement. Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.


Stop and frisk is disaster in cities it's been implemented and it does discriminate against minorities. Banning people from wearing certain type of clothing is indeed unconstitutional and I agree police shouldn't have the right to search someone just because they are wearing loose fitting clothing.
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Old 10-21-2013, 10:25 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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The ACLU is absolutely right - you can't stop every member or most members of a certain group because you're paranoid. I would be dead set against any kind of stop and frisk policy in Columbia.
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Old 10-21-2013, 11:27 AM
 
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If you don't want to be profiled, dress and act accordingly. If statistics clearly state that 75% of violent crime in 5 Points is being committed by white, short haired fraternity boys; then frisk them all!

If your group is being profiled, there is a reason. Maybe if you belong to that group and you don't like it, talk to your peers and ask them to stop representing you so poorly. Until things change, we will all be profiling.
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Old 10-21-2013, 11:29 AM
 
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I agree that we do not want civil liberties to be compromised and I also completely agree that no one should be unfairly targeted due to race, religion, or gender, which is not what this would do, it would however target those individuals who CHOOSE to dress in gang attire just like in the public schools, the Fair, and most many other places. If you are not in a gang but choose to dress in that manner, you should expect the ramifications that come with that just like any other form of dress or freedom of expression. This is no different than when Police target cars late at night that have fraternity or sorority stickers, its a form of expression and when I was driving late at night, it never surprised me if I was pulled over for nothing. Was it aggravating, sure, but at the same time I understood the ramifications that came with having those letters on my car and furthermore understood they were trying to find drunk drivers. Same thing here, if someone is in gang apparel and is approached by the police and after speaking with that person realize he is not causing an issue, he is free to go. This is not an infringement on the right to express yourself, but you also have to realize that what you wear can draw attention that you may not want.

Waccamatt I am not necessarily saying that a frisk policy would be a great idea, to be honest unless we decided to gate off Five Points like they do the Fair, I don't see how it could work.

BUT I would just like to let you know that a friend of mine was 10 feet from this most recent shooting, I was across the street from the one that occurred last March, and have had to hear friends on the phone TWICE freak out due to a shooting occurring right in front of them down there, and wonder if our other friends were shot or not (thankfully everyone was okay both times) so your damn right I am "PARANOID" and with a damn good reason to be!
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Old 10-21-2013, 11:30 AM
 
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If you don't want to be profiled, dress and act accordingly. If statistics clearly state that 75% of violent crime in 5 points is being committed by white, short haired fraternity boys; then frisk them all!

If your group is being profiled, there is a reason. Maybe if you belong to that group and you don't like it, talk to your peers and ask them to stop representing you so poorly. Until things change, we will all be profiling.
thank you!!
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Old 10-21-2013, 12:23 PM
 
Location: Lexington, SC
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If memory serves me correctly, a bar/club area section of Austin TX (6th St. area) is closed off to vehicular traffic on Fri and Sat nights. It is a party hard area on weekends, especially for Univ. Of Texas students. Last time I was there, co-ed boob flashing was the rage......LOL

While I am a supporter/card carrying member of the ACLU, I believe Lott might be on to something if done properly. The ACLU did not say it could not be done. The ACLU simply said peoples rights have to be protected. You do not want a police state existing there or anywhere.
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Old 10-21-2013, 12:47 PM
 
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If memory serves me correctly, a bar/club area section of Austin TX (6th St. area) is closed off to vehicular traffic on Fri and Sat nights. It is a party hard area on weekends, especially for Univ. Of Texas students. Last time I was there, co-ed boob flashing was the rage......LOL

While I am a supporter/card carrying member of the ACLU, I believe Lott might be on to something if done properly. The ACLU did not say it could not be done. The ACLU simply said peoples rights have to be protected. You do not want a police state existing there or anywhere.
I am glad to hear you see this and completely agree that it should be done properly to still protect the rights of people and not have a "police state." I, just like everyone else, is sick and tired of this type of violence occurring in our city especially when innocent people have been victimized and I feel like this would be a great way to prevent violence down there.
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Old 10-21-2013, 07:48 PM
 
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I am glad to hear you see this and completely agree that it should be done properly to still protect the rights of people and not have a "police state." I, just like everyone else, is sick and tired of this type of violence occurring in our city especially when innocent people have been victimized and I feel like this would be a great way to prevent violence down there.
What are the arguments against blocking The streets? I am not sure why it has not been mentioned before.

Is the 5 Points association a reasonable group?
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Old 10-21-2013, 09:01 PM
 
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If you don't want to be profiled, dress and act accordingly. If statistics clearly state that 75% of violent crime in 5 Points is being committed by white, short haired fraternity boys; then frisk them all!
You may welcome a police state but I, for one, don't. Frisking people based simply because they dress in a certain manner is unconstitutional and doesn't meet the standard of probable cause.



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If your group is being profiled, there is a reason. Maybe if you belong to that group and you don't like it, talk to your peers and ask them to stop representing you so poorly. Until things change, we will all be profiling.
This is one of the most idiotic things I've ever heard. People aren't a monolithic hivemind. Judge people based as individuals and their individual actions.

Statistically, over 90% of terrorist acts committed on U.S. soil since 1970 have been committed by non-Muslims. Data from the FBI and DHS found that domestic terrorists are most likely to be anti-government white males, yet imagine the uproar at the suggestion ALL white males be profiled, stopped and frisked based on the actions of a relatively few deranged individuals.
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