South Carolina stereotypes? (York, North, Furman: school, taxes, law)

[Frankie117]

Even if someone is racist - that is their opinion, and as "bad" or as "twisted" as that may be, it is his opinion. Being so you should be respectful of it regardless. And since there aren't all that many openly-racist people -- whats the big deal? The worst part is racist using 'the flag', and even worse are those who are ignorant enough to believe the flag represents racism in any way. The Nazi's stole Norway's flag, but people don't call the Norwegians crazy genocidal maniacs (except Swedes ).

[ChapinBound]

I am from Indiana but we bought our retirment home in Chapin, SC about a year ago and we are within a month of moving there. We have found if you like genuinely nice people in general and polite courteous youngsters, SC is the place to be. We originally were moving for the milder year-around weather but now we have experienced the people we know we have made the right choice of all the places we could have ended up.

[Steve_I]

Originally Posted by Frankie117

Even if someone is racist - that is their opinion, and as "bad" or as "twisted" as that may be, it is his opinion. Being so you should be respectful of it regardless. And since there aren't all that many openly-racist people -- whats the big deal? The worst part is racist using 'the flag', and even worse are those who are ignorant enough to believe the flag represents racism in any way. The Nazi's stole Norway's flag, but people don't call the Norwegians crazy genocidal maniacs (except Swedes ).

He's not wrong to have an opinion, but his opinion is wrong.
Maurice definitely has no respect coming from my way.

And as for the flag: wasn't the biggest reason to attempt to succeed from the union to preserve the institution of slavery (and the $$$ that came with it)?

[RangerDuke08]

Originally Posted by Iraqvet

Hello everyone,

I am curious as to everyones opinions, thoughts and stereotypes of the Palmetto State. While I was in the military, some people who have never really visited the south would book South Carolina in the same category as Mississippi or Alabama. No offense MS and AL. I have never been to Mississippi so I will not go into my thoughts of that state but anyway, I just wanted to know what comes to mind when you guys think of South Carolina. Please do not hold back, if you think SC is full of rednecks and trailers or is a great tourist destination and uhhh......then state it.

I am not a Native and have lived all over the U.S., name a state or city, been there, done that (military brat and ex-military myself) but I can tell you I loved South Carolina, one of my top 3 states. SC has some of the best upper education in the Nation, Citadel, CofC, USC and Clemson all great schools, not to mention about 20 liberal arts colleges some are all top ranked by USNews. This is a substantial number for a small state, I can name you many bigger states with only 1 So-so Ginormous University.

If you get into politics, SC traditionally isn't a deep South State, possibly border-line 40 years ago, but you can see that sharp divide from the beach town and once you go inland, more conservative as you go in-land. I'd say South Carolina is a State more relative to North Carolina (after all they are Carolinas) but the reason being 2 reasons 1. it's along the 95 and 85 Northerners have been moving down South for 2nd homes and retirement the past 20 years or so have to cross NC and SC (small bit of GA) down to FL. Some chose to go to school or settle in NC and SC instead. And secondly like NC, SC though a bit slower but is trying to attract businesses and growth into the State. How it'll change I can't predict, but it's certainly going to grow population wise and social wise as well.

[RangerDuke08]

Originally Posted by Steve_I

He's not wrong to have an opinion, but his opinion is wrong.
Maurice definitely has no respect coming from my way.

And as for the flag: wasn't the biggest reason to attempt to succeed from the union to preserve the institution of slavery (and the $$$ that came with it)?

Haha it's always funny to me to read a Southern thread which lead back over 100 years ago to the Civil War, I'm sure your great gramps was debating this one. The truth of the matter is that up until 1825 West Point taught it's soldier every state had the right to secede and that was how our founding fathers intended our nation to be, each state with its own laws and jurisdiction, also check your books on this one, but Abe Lincoln, great man, but was not going to free some slaves of some states and also his initial idea of pre-reconstruction was to ship all black people back to Africa, which was not financial feasible.

[Steve_I]

Originally Posted by RangerDuke08

Haha it's always funny to me to read a Southern thread which lead back over 100 years ago to the Civil War, I'm sure your great gramps was debating this one. The truth of the matter is that up until 1825 West Point taught it's soldier every state had the right to secede and that was how our founding fathers intended our nation to be, each state with its own laws and jurisdiction, also check your books on this one, but Abe Lincoln, great man, but was not going to free some slaves of some states and also his initial idea of pre-reconstruction was to ship all black people back to Africa, which was not financial feasible.

Thanks for the response, I'm definitely in agreement about the right to succeed. Good point about Lincoln, but could he have declared all slaves free at once and still maintain support within the Union (ie: not be impeached)? I wonder what his original intentions were. Anyhow, that was pretty unfair.
That being said, I think is pretty disingenuous to say that the flag doesn't have any racial connotation.

[RangerDuke08]

Originally Posted by Steve_I

Thanks for the response, I'm definitely in agreement about the right to succeed. Good point about Lincoln, but could he have declared all slaves free at once and still maintain support within the Union (ie: not be impeached)? I wonder what his original intentions were. Anyhow, that was pretty unfair.
That being said, I think is pretty disingenuous to say that the flag doesn't have any racial connotation.

The South Carolina flag is very unique itself, as you can see it doesn't have the confederate cross, and no one really knows where the crescent came from - the original flag was blue and only had the crescent no palmetto. I can tell you it probably had to do with the "Bonnie Blue" flag which was the Republic of Florida flag (which lasted 74 days), which was all blue with one star in it, but I could be wrong.

[waccamatt]

I think the Palmetto Tree was added after the Revolutionary War because Fort Moultrie was built out of soft Palmetto logs and the cannonballs of the British sank into the soft wood.

[Brandon Hoffman]

It's not actually a crescent moon either though everyone calls it that. The crescent moon shape is actually a gorget (sp?) which is a piece of armor. I think the gorget protected the exposed area of the neck.

BTW, the "War of Northern Aggression" was actually fought over money and slavery was a convenient excuse.

[nooneknowsmyname]

As with most historical events, the Civil Was had multiple causes, one of which was slavery. Other causes were economics, partisan politics, sectionalism, and differences of opinion about the need for modernization. Just like slavery wasn't the primary cause, neither was economics the primary cause with slavery provided as an excuse. There are many historians who have written about this. If one is interested in sound explanation rather than mere speculation, reading historical analyses such as those by Foner, Avery & Nevins is helpful. In fact, although it was once believed that economics were the primary cause of the Civil war, today's major historians now disagree. Craig, an economic historian has written about this.