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Old 07-09-2010, 06:00 PM
 
Location: Columbia, South Carolina
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A big enough critical mass of white people, then. There - I said it. Columbia will get there in that category. What a shame big stores still look at such demographic stats.

This man was on Clemson's "Your Day" yesterday on NPR's SC-ETV Radio. He has studied economies all over the world for over 20 years. The attached article isn't from yesterday's program, but if you read between the lines you can see that he is getting at the same thing he said yesterday. He said our economic model in this country is broken, with a select few getting more and more fantastically wealthy while driving more and more ordinary people to the margins, in effect making it harder and harder for the middle class to stay afloat. He had no kind words for huge corporations whose CEOs are focused mainly on their stocks: the Walmarts, Costcos, Apples, etc. (He only mentioned Walmart specifically.) He said we must turn it around so that people spend in a community-based manner and return to supporting small businesses, or we soon will not have a middle class. We will instead have people shopping at one big Wapplecojoe's where they will be exploited into purchasing super cheap merchandise in masses so large that the CEOs of the country's sole big box are that much wealthier and in control of everything, and the blind masses will have only themselves to blame. ($2-dollar bottles of wine, indeed) Maybe Columbia will never get a Costco, an Apple or a Trader Joe's and will become known as a haven for moms and pops. It used to be that if you didn't have a Starbucks you were nothing. Next thing we knew Starbucks was here and ran Adrianna's out of business. Adrianna's was so much better, but to not be seen at Starbucks just wouldn't do. A co-worker today told me that a friend of his who worked at Adrianna's got into a big scene with a man who had the nerve to buy coffee and a pastry at Starbucks only to walk down the block and ask the Adrianna's employee if she minded if he sat at one of their tables outside. He seemed to have no clue whatsoever what was wrong with his request. There is a psychology in Columbia that is still driven by the river system that separates Richland and Lexington County. There are shopping areas from Harbison to Sandhills to the Vista to Main Street to Five Points to Rosewood to Forest Acres to Devine Street and more. All of those areas will lose their power to separate us when the metro gains more people. In the meantime I'm not hurting for any new stores. I hardly ever shop period, but when I do I hit the local stores for everything from pet food to garden supplies to shoes to shirts to you name it.

5 Ways to Know if You're Making a Difference :: David Korten - Excerpt from the 2nd Edition of Agenda for a New Economy

 
Old 07-09-2010, 07:40 PM
 
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Chains look at the concentration of white people??? What a bogus statement! Income is the deciding factor, not race. Hawaii has NEVER had a white majority of population, yet they have Apple stores...
 
Old 07-10-2010, 02:40 AM
 
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Chains look at the concentration of white people??? What a bogus statement! Income is the deciding factor, not race.
Actually, Corgi does have a point (although whether it applies to Columbia is another subject altogether, and I'm not sure that it does). The book The Failures of Integration, for instance, highlights how majority Black high-income neighborhoods in suburban DC (and Atlanta too, if I'm not mistaken) are underserved in terms of retail when compared to predominantly White neighborhoods with similar income levels. But again, it may be a moot point as I'm not convinced that it applies to Columbia.

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Hawaii has NEVER had a white majority of population, yet they have Apple stores...
And Hawaii (Honolulu) is one of the world's most popular tourist destinations also.
 
Old 07-10-2010, 06:06 AM
 
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A big enough critical mass of white people, then. There - I said it. Columbia will get there in that category. What a shame big stores still look at such demographic stats.
Not sure why or how you can inject race into a retail post. Sad.

Are you saying that only white people buy Apple computers / I-Pods or only white people eat organic food from Trader Joes and Whole Foods?

Guess those black, Asian, Hispanic and Indian people I see every week in airports using their Apple products didn't get the message.........

Retailers are in business for one reason....to make money. I don't understand how you can call that "a shame" as it is the joys and freedom of a capitalist society. Start your own retail chain and ignore income / demographic info.....see how long you'll stay in business.......

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Old 07-10-2010, 08:07 AM
 
Location: Columbia, South Carolina
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Ask any marketing specialist to be honest with you and see what you find out about race and retail. It's unfortunate, but it is still a factor. I am not saying that only white people buy anything. Show me a metro the size of Columbia with the percentage of black people it has that also has the per capita or median income in one reasonably defined area geographically that is needed to draw in the stores you say we should covet. Times, they are a changin', but we ain't there yet. That said, I'll take Columbia's current mix of population and the aura that comes with it over the back country's mix of population and the aura that comes with it any day. I'd be willing to bet Columbia has more soul food restaurants than Greenville, and I wouldn't have it any other way, not necessarily because I seek out soul food very often, but because vicariously I love that it's just down the street in several directions and venues and that our much populace, black, white and other, is lovin' it.
 
Old 07-10-2010, 09:28 AM
 
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to draw in the stores you say we should covet.
To be factual and clear, not one poster said Columbia should covet certain stores. The State news article said that local Columbians covet Apple and Trader Joe's, so seems most of your fellow Columbians feel differently than you.
 
Old 07-10-2010, 10:08 AM
 
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I wouldn't mind an Apple Store, but I can buy most Apple products at Best Buy or online so it really isn't that big a deal. As far as Trader Joes is concerned - yes, they are nice, but the Gourmet Shop in Five Points is just as nice and it is locally owned.
 
Old 07-10-2010, 10:10 AM
 
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To be factual and clear, not one poster said Columbia should covet certain stores. The State news article said that local Columbians covet Apple and Trader Joe's, so seems most of your fellow Columbians feel differently than you.
Keeping with being factual and clear, The State news does not cite any scientific sources that would support the title of the article. For example, they do not mention conducting a scientific poll to see what Columbians covet. I, personally, do not covet an Apple store. Of course, if Columbia gets one, that would be great and Main Street would be the best location for it. Trader Joe's would also be nice. However, I personally think that Whole Foods is a better store, and would prefer that Columbia get that store over Trader Joe's. But again, these are my thoughts. I am not certain what stores the majority of Columbians covet. And, I do not think the columnist provided enough information to discern that.
 
Old 07-10-2010, 03:53 PM
 
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I wouldn't mind an Apple Store, but I can buy most Apple products at Best Buy or online so it really isn't that big a deal. As far as Trader Joes is concerned - yes, they are nice, but the Gourmet Shop in Five Points is just as nice and it is locally owned.
Garners in Greenville is locally owned as well, as are the numerous ethic markets found throughout the city. Still nice to have Whole Foods, Earth Fare, Trader Joes, Fresh Market and Bloom in addition. Just gives options. Nothing wrong with options.

You can buy most Apple products online, but you can't get the experience or the Genius Bar without going to an Apple Store.

From the opening at Haywood this morning. The first photo shows two groups of people (the mall had people line up in major cluster, so as not to interfere with walkways). People were then lined up to the right, down the corridor by Helzberg and out into the parking lot....around 1,000 people and this was at 8:45.....a good 1 hour and 15 minutes prior to the 10:00 AM opening. I guess Greenvillians do covet Apple, and they got what they covet.

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Old 07-10-2010, 04:36 PM
 
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Garners in Greenville is locally owned as well, as are the numerous ethic markets found throughout the city. Still nice to have Whole Foods, Earth Fare, Trader Joes, Fresh Market and Bloom in addition. Just gives options. Nothing wrong with options.

You can buy most Apple products online, but you can't get the experience or the Genius Bar without going to an Apple Store.

From the opening at Haywood this morning. The first photo shows two groups of people (the mall had people line up in major cluster, so as not to interfere with walkways). People were then lined up to the right, down the corridor by Helzberg and out into the parking lot....around 1,000 people and this was at 8:45.....a good 1 hour and 15 minutes prior to the 10:00 AM opening. I guess Greenvillians do covet Apple, and they got what they covet.
This is great news. It's nice to see Greenvillians strongly support a new store. I realize that I, at times, get caught up in my big-city mindset. However, I have to ask this question. Why were 1000 (or so) people lined up to go into the Apple store? Were they providing a significant discount on their products to the first 1000 customers?
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