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Old 10-19-2011, 06:08 PM
 
Location: Mexico City, formerly Columbus, Ohio
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One thing I cant understand that if people love animals and demanding not to shoot or kill . Then why hell you folks eat hot dogs and hams. if you see how they slaughter these animals you wont eat.
This is just a thought from a vegetarian .
I'm pretty sure chickens, cows and pigs are not endangered. I see nothing wrong with eating meat. I do think we need better standards in the meat industry, but that goes without saying. Standards are pretty bad with ALL types of food, even vegetarian fare (unless you grow it yourself). If you knew even half of what they do to meat, fruit, vegetables, etc, you would be shocked. Not eating meat is a luxury for rich countries, while most of the world's population does not have those kinds of choices.
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Old 10-19-2011, 06:15 PM
 
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Because there was nothing he could do, thanks to the current governor.
I'm no fan of Kasich, but they knew of this situation well before he ever took office. The failure to act earlier from this sheriff despite full knowledge of what was being kept at this property owned by an ex-con - and in response to countless complaints - is where this horrible tragedy began.

Today's events were just the final result.

These animals should have been safely removed long ago. You can't go a month or two without seeing a story of dozens of cats being removed from some old lady's mobile home. But apparently a man who has been in and out of prison is allowed to have half of Kenya on his property and it's completely OK?
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Old 10-19-2011, 06:24 PM
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Location: Bel Air, California
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LOL at all the people that think that tranquillizing 18 tigers and 17 lions at night was somehow an option.

by the way Tex what are you doing about your own state?

from earlier this week...
CBS 7 - Your Eye on West Texas
A 4-year old boy was mauled by a 12-year old pet mountain lion kept by his aunt in her backyard. He was taken to the hospital but his condition was unknown. The lion was euthanized following the incident. The aunt was cited for the lion not being up to date on vaccinations.

Feb 2011...
Houston SPCA seizes over 300 animals -- including 2 tigers -- from Texas ranch | khou.com Houston
The Houston SPCA seized more than 300 domestic and exotic aimals from a ranch in Coyrell County, TX from deplorable conditions. The animals included 200 dogs, 40 puppies, 1 tamarin, 2 Bengal tigers, 2 mountain lions, 18 domestic cats, 5 birds, 1 lizard, 10 rodents, 1 deer, 1 raccoon and more than 30 horses and donkeys. Dead animals were alson found on the property.
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Old 10-19-2011, 06:26 PM
 
Location: Cleveland Suburbs
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I'm no fan of Kasich, but they knew of this situation well before he ever took office. The failure to act earlier from this sheriff despite full knowledge of what was being kept at this property owned by an ex-con - and in response to countless complaints - is where this horrible tragedy began.

Today's events were just the final result.

These animals should have been safely removed long ago. You can't go a month or two without seeing a story of dozens of cats being removed from some old lady's mobile home. But apparently a man who has been in and out of prison is allowed to have half of Kenya on his property and it's completely OK?
I got a good laugh out of the "half of Kenya" comment. Not that this is a humorous issue, but I am sure this was one of, if not the largest "Kenya" in the country that wasn't under proper inspections.
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Old 10-19-2011, 06:27 PM
 
Location: 112 Ocean Avenue
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These animals should have been safely removed long ago.
You won't get any argument from me on that one. Ohio certainly isn't the only state guilty of lax laws.

We as humans have absolutely NO RIGHT to keep wild animals caged or as pets. Clearly this sicko was nothing more than an animal hoarder who didn't give two sh*ts about their welfare.

I truly believe laws will now start to change. Sadly (as usual) it'll take something as horrific as this to get lawmakers off their ass.
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Old 10-19-2011, 06:31 PM
 
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Because there was nothing he could do, thanks to the current governor.
There was plenty Sheriff Lutz,other governmental officials, and ordinary citizens could have done; those things were not done though
.
The owner of those many exotic animals was NOT exactly a surprise to law enforcement and county and city residents from what I understand. He had been in federal prison for weapons violations and had been convicted of animal abuse. If the governor or state legislature didn't want to pay attention to the county officials and residents, so what? Get moving. Protest. Form coalitions to write letters. Keep doing those things until you get the attention needed to solve the problem--that is how America is supposed to work!

People could have called the media. What is the media for if not to have their attention called to situations such as these? Ohio is full of large cities--major media markets. It's not as if Ohio is a small state with a small population. Zanesville and its county are less than 100 miles from Columbus, home of one of the world's best zoos. Did anyone ever think to call Jack Hanna or write him? Trying anything to draw attention to this situation before it became a tragedy would have been better than doing nothing.
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Old 10-19-2011, 06:32 PM
 
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LOL at all the people that think that tranquillizing 18 tigers and 17 lions at night was somehow an option.

by the way Tex what are you doing about your own state?

from earlier this week...
CBS 7 - Your Eye on West Texas
A 4-year old boy was mauled by a 12-year old pet mountain lion kept by his aunt in her backyard. He was taken to the hospital but his condition was unknown. The lion was euthanized following the incident. The aunt was cited for the lion not being up to date on vaccinations.

Feb 2011...
Houston SPCA seizes over 300 animals -- including 2 tigers -- from Texas ranch | khou.com Houston
The Houston SPCA seized ore than 300 domestic and exotic aimals from a ranch in Coyrell County, TX from deplorable conditions. The animals included 200 dogs, 40 puppies, 1 tamarin, 2 Bengal tigers, 2 mountain lions, 18 domestic cats, 5 birds, 1 lizard, 10 rodents, 1 deer, 1 raccoon and more than 30 horses and donkeys. Dead animals were alson found on the property.
You're right, why even try? The easy way out is to just blow them away then line up the carcasses on the side of the road. Maybe we can hang the tiger heads in a sports bar in Zanesville or over a cozy lodge fireplace somewhere ...

And, as has already been proven, the sheriff's department wasn't at all unaware that these animals were being housed by an ex-con in these conditions in their county. They knew full well that this situation may one day become reality. Perhaps it would have been wise to have tranquilizers on hand somewhere in the county and to properly train deputies - you know, in case these "18 tigers and 17 lions" ever escaped?

Also, the fact that they just recklessly shot and killed everything that wasn't human without any regard to the individual animal is beyond outrageous. They killed six black bears; black bears exist in the wild in southeast Ohio, for crying out loud - should we hunt them down and kill them too? And why kill the baboon? Sorry, but that just screams irresponsible overreaction by these yokels and it invites every bit of well-deserved criticism that they are going to receive from around the world.

If you make the argument that it was necessary to shoot to kill lions and tigers at night because of the alleged "immediate" threat they posed, how can you possibly argue that black bears and baboons should be killed? Could we not have waited til morning to bring in properly trained authorities to safely tranquilize these animals? Or were lunatic baboons suddenly going to be rampaging Jumanji-style through the busy streets of downtown Zanesville?

LOL at you assuming that this hack sheriff shares no blame in this tragedy.

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Old 10-19-2011, 06:35 PM
 
Location: 112 Ocean Avenue
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There was plenty Sheriff Lutz,other governmental officials, and ordinary citizens could have done; those things were not done though
.
True, and that's because the vast majority of citizens, law enforcement, and especially politicians, are reactive, and not proactive.
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Old 10-19-2011, 06:44 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Ghengis View Post
LOL at all the people that think that tranquillizing 18 tigers and 17 lions at night was somehow an option.

by the way Tex what are you doing about your own state?

from earlier this week...
CBS 7 - Your Eye on West Texas
A 4-year old boy was mauled by a 12-year old pet mountain lion kept by his aunt in her backyard. He was taken to the hospital but his condition was unknown. The lion was euthanized following the incident. The aunt was cited for the lion not being up to date on vaccinations.

Feb 2011...
Houston SPCA seizes over 300 animals -- including 2 tigers -- from Texas ranch | khou.com Houston
The Houston SPCA seized more than 300 domestic and exotic aimals from a ranch in Coyrell County, TX from deplorable conditions. The animals included 200 dogs, 40 puppies, 1 tamarin, 2 Bengal tigers, 2 mountain lions, 18 domestic cats, 5 birds, 1 lizard, 10 rodents, 1 deer, 1 raccoon and more than 30 horses and donkeys. Dead animals were alson found on the property.

I'm very active in both community organizations, including those related to children, domestic violence, and two local animals shelters. I put my money where my mouth is. I do not sit at home and just spew to a computer. I work to make changes in my community and state. This situation in Ohio really touched a nerve--obviously, as I'm sure you have noticed. Such a tragedy and such a horrendous loss of so many majestic creatures. It could have so easily been prevented.

In the last few years, Texas has progressed in many ways regarding animal issues. It used to be legal to hold "canned hunts" of captive lions and tigers--it is now illegal in Texas. However, "people" can still import African antelope and other exotic animals into the state and invite "hunters" to kill these animals by bow or rifle. Texas has more land in private holdings, percentage wise, than most states, so unfortunately there are a huge number of these "ranches."

I'm not against hunting as it is practiced by ethical hunters--where fair chase is involved and if the hunter is going to eat/consume the killed animal. I'm not a PETA person who thinks animals are more valuable than anything else. I do believe animals, if killed for food, should be killed quickly and efficiently. Hunting animals that have no possible means of escape (because they are fenced in) is reprehensible in my opinion. And, it's so some "hunter" can feel tall in his (and her occasionally) boots and have a "trophy" for his wall. Many people come from all over the world to hunt on these canned hunt ranches in Texas, and it's a huge moneymaker for these owners. We got rid of the canned hunts of lions and tigers, so perhaps there is hope to rid the state of the rest of these types of hunts.

So, I am more than willing to criticize my own state AND work to improve it. I would not come on this site and criticize Ohio if I were not willing to criticize my own state, too.
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Old 10-19-2011, 06:57 PM
Status: "This Space For Rent" (set 5 hours ago)
 
Location: Bel Air, California
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Originally Posted by abr7rmj View Post
You're right, why even try? The easy way out is to just blow them away then line up the carcasses on the side of the road. Maybe we can hang the tiger heads in a sports bar in Zanesville or over a cozy lodge fireplace somewhere ...

And, as has already been proven, the sheriff's department wasn't at all unaware that these animals were being housed by an ex-con in these conditions in their county. They knew full well that this situation may one day become reality. Perhaps it would have been wise to have tranquilizers on hand somewhere in the county and to properly train deputies - you know, in case these "18 tigers and 17 lions" ever escaped?

Also, the fact that they just recklessly shot and killed everything that wasn't human without any regard to the individual animal is beyond outrageous. They killed six black bears; black bears exist in the wild in southeast Ohio, for crying out loud - should we hunt them down and kill them too? And why kill the baboon? Sorry, but that just screams irresponsible overreaction by these yokels and it invites every bit of well-deserved criticism that they are going to receive from around the world.

If you make the argument that it was necessary to shoot to kill lions and tigers at night because of the alleged "immediate" threat they posed, how can you possibly argue that black bears and baboons should be killed? Could we not have waited til morning to bring in properly trained authorities to safely tranquilize these animals? Or were lunatic baboons suddenly going to be rampaging Jumanji-style through the busy streets of downtown Zanesville?

LOL at you assuming that this hack sheriff shares no blame in this tragedy.
apparently, you don't know Jack...

There was no choice but to kill 49 animals, including tigers, lions and bears, that were released from their enclosures in Zanesville, Ohio, wildlife expert Jack Hanna told ABC News’ Diane Sawyer. “I’m sorry to say, but what the sheriff did had to be done,” Hanna said. “Otherwise, we would have had carnage out here in Zanesville, Ohio.


http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headline...e-had-carnage/
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