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The owner of the Theresa Building at 823 E. Long Street has partnered with Woods Development Group to renovate the building and open it up for 3 new businesses.
King-Lincoln needs as many businesses to open on Long St as possible to attract more visitors and residents. 3 new ones is pretty big for a short stretch with only a handful of buildings left standing and this is a signature one: I rode past more times than I can count wondering when it would finally have some places to go.
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I just don't know why people think anecdotes are meaningful proof of anything.
For one thing there are going to be lots of former Ohioans in large cities everywhere: it only has the 7th highest population in the nation.
Back to how people should be able to get around a city of all places w/o a car with some ease, Metro Transit posted 81.4 million trips for 2013. People here find mass transit a much more viable alternative than in Columbus. Compare that figure to Columbus which had 18.8 million in 2011, but saw a drop in 2013 likely due to a winter that more closely resembled a typical Minnesota winter. Hey, at least you guys didn't have to travel 800 miles to experience what it's like. Combine that deep freeze with long waits between buses and you have a recipe for lower ridership.
The Twin Cities have a metro of 3.5 million compared to Columbus' 2 million, which means Columbus should have a ridership over more than half of what we have, easily over 40 million. People in Columbus are clearly stating with their transportation choices that mass transit in Columbus is not a viable option and also with their wallets by not investing in it like other cities do: even with milder winters us Twin Citians are much more willing to stand in colder temps with much shorter wait times and later bus schedules than Columbusites are in warmer temps with much more limited hours and longer waits. No amount of anecdotes can prove otherwise (much as they like to use ones about riding COTA on CU) to paint a rosy picture of easy car-free living in Columbus.
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I highly doubt Ohioans are moving from a cold climate to a down right freezing climate
Yet here we are. And on top of that we're riding trains and buses in frigid weather at more than twice the rate of Columbus residents, but I suppose that's my fault somehow. The day you guys want Columbus to be a real city is the day you all collectively pay up for decent mass transit. Only towns of a certain farm animal don't offer that.
Mplsite;36186331]King-Lincoln needs as many businesses to open on Long St
as possible to attract more visitors and residents. 3 new ones is pretty big
for a short stretch with only a handful of buildings left standing and this is a
signature one: I rode past more times than I can count wondering when it
would finally have some places to go.
I suspect this is really just the very beginning. Just like Parsons Avenue has suddenly become more popular, I think a lot of Downtown-adjacent areas will go this way. The SN is still hot, but rents are getting extremely high and that's only going to be beneficial to other locations. Long Street is ripe for redevelopment with so many empty lots on a prime thoroughfare.
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For one thing there are going to be lots of former Ohioans in large cities
everywhere: it only has the 7th highest population in the nation.
True, I think it's like OSU alumni. But would you believe that Ohio's out-domestic migration has improved nearly 100% 2005-2012? In 2005, it had a net gain from 2005 22 states, but 25 states in 2012. Overall migration rates improved in 34 states including DC. The net result that the state went from losing 40,841 in 2005 to just 105 in 2012. That's huge. Ohio seems to be on the verge of having net domestic migration gain for the first time in decades. Columbus experienced overall increases as well.
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Back to how people should be able to get around a city of all places w/o
a car with some ease, Metro Transit posted 81.4 million trips for 2013. People here find mass transit a
much more viable alternative than in Columbus. Compare that figure to Columbus
which had 18.8 million in 2011, but saw a drop in 2013 likely due to a winter that more closely
resembled a typical Minnesota winter. Hey, at least you guys didn't have to
travel 800 miles to experience what it's like. Combine that deep freeze with
long waits between buses and you have a recipe for lower ridership.
Most of the decrease in 2013 was from OSU switching to semesters. 2013 followed several years of record gains, including some of the largest bus system gains in the nation. As you may have seen, COTA is completely revamping their entire system. There will be triple the amount of express routes and less focus on suburban areas that don't provide much return.
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The Twin Cities have a metro of 3.5 million compared to Columbus' 2 million,
which means Columbus should have a ridership over more than half of what we
have, easily over 40 million. People in Columbus are clearly stating with their
transportation choices that mass transit in Columbus is not a viable option and
also with their wallets by not investing in it like other cities do: even with
milder winters us Twin Citians are much more willing to stand in colder temps
with much shorter wait times and later bus schedules than Columbusites are in
warmer temps with much more limited hours and longer waits. No amount of
anecdotes can prove otherwise (much as they like to use ones about riding COTA
on CU) to paint a rosy picture of easy car-free living in Columbus.
This probably has a lot more to do with the highway system than anything. Columbus has one of the most easily used layouts anywhere, and until recently, didn't have too much of a traffic issue. The explosion in urban living (over 8,000 units should be completed between now and the end of next year) has definitely started to put a lot more pressure on alternatives. With companies beginning to move back employees to Downtown and adjacent areas, that also puts increasing demand on the transit system.
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Yet here we are. And on top of that we're riding trains and buses in
frigid weather at more than twice the rate of Columbus residents, but I suppose
that's my fault somehow. The day you guys want Columbus to be a real city is the day
you all collectively pay up for decent mass transit. Only towns of a certain
farm animal don't offer that.
You can't ride what doesn't exist. That's the only real difference. It's not going to be soon enough for me, or for you, but I think within the next 10 years, Columbus will have BRT and LRT systems in place, and maybe its first HSR. And when you make references like that, it rather illuminates that you're really not here because you care about the city.
I see the highway system as an easy cop out: plenty of cities have huge highways all over the place yet still build LRT: take Houston and Dallas for example. I'd like to see Columbus offer a quality urban experience, but without mass transit that experience is dampened. I'd would have loved to take the LRT from the park & ride at the airport, a short drive to my parents suburban home, into Downtown near the Arena District. That would make it so much easier to visit from there when I'm in town, since I don't live off High St anymore. Instead, I'm left with very few #2 buses that make it out that far east and I'd have to sit on the bus for a good hour: it's abhorrent that this is what Columbus thinks of its car-free residents and visitors. It didn't have to be that way, but alas, it's a city full of Columbusites: not Portlanders, Denverites, or even Minneapolitans.
If the city were serious about providing serviceable mass transit it would not take ten years and it would start with the buses. They would debut high frequency limited service routes that parallel their most popular high frequency routes, but instead stop much more infrequently, more closely mirroring LRT by getting people across a far distance quick(ish)ly. They could brand them as the #2X (express) , #10X, #1X, etc Or maybe it wouldn't hurt to treat them with secondary colors on maps for these lines to at least give Columbusites the feeling that they at least have something worthwhile for residents to have some pride in their mass transit system, bus only it may be. The Lavender Route (High St between Merion Village and Downtown Worthington: it does hit up the main LGBT neighborhood after all), the Hollywood Cerise Route (mirroring the #10 with a nod to the casino, of course), the Azure Route (for the #1), and Tangerine Route (Main between Downtown and Whitehall or further east if it can support it). And of course that would finally solve the issue of requiring a pesky transfer to go between German or Merion Village and north of Downtown. Now that is a fantasy map that I'd like to see and see it become reality (preferably in a matter of months so that I can use it): and why not have a little fun with it? Provided it delivers short waits, runs til bars close,goes back and forth on the exact same route always like a train, and stops are spaced out far enough to ensure timely rides, it could only help kindle a newfound love, well OK, "like" for mass transit among Columbusites in general.
I see the highway system as an easy cop out: plenty of cities have huge highways all over the place yet still build LRT: take Houston and Dallas for example. I'd like to see Columbus offer a quality urban experience, but without mass transit that experience is dampened. I'd would have loved to take the LRT from the park & ride at the airport, a short drive to my parents suburban home, into Downtown near the Arena District. That would make it so much easier to visit from there when I'm in town, since I don't live off High St anymore. Instead, I'm left with very few #2 buses that make it out that far east and I'd have to sit on the bus for a good hour: it's abhorrent that this is what Columbus thinks of its car-free residents and visitors. It didn't have to be that way, but alas, it's a city full of Columbusites: not Portlanders, Denverites, or even Minneapolitans.
If the city were serious about providing serviceable mass transit it would not take ten years and it would start with the buses. They would debut high frequency limited service routes that parallel their most popular high frequency routes, but instead stop much more infrequently, more closely mirroring LRT by getting people across a far distance quick(ish)ly. They could brand them as the #2X (express) , #10X, #1X, etc Or maybe it wouldn't hurt to treat them with secondary colors on maps for these lines to at least give Columbusites the feeling that they at least have something worthwhile for residents to have some pride in their mass transit system, bus only it may be. The Lavender Route (High St between Merion Village and Downtown Worthington: it does hit up the main LGBT neighborhood after all), the Hollywood Cerise Route (mirroring the #10 with a nod to the casino, of course), the Azure Route (for the #1), and Tangerine Route (Main between Downtown and Whitehall or further east if it can support it). And of course that would finally solve the issue of requiring a pesky transfer to go between German or Merion Village and north of Downtown. Now that is a fantasy map that I'd like to see and see it become reality (preferably in a matter of months so that I can use it): and why not have a little fun with it? Provided it delivers short waits, runs til bars close,goes back and forth on the exact same route always like a train, and stops are spaced out far enough to ensure timely rides, it could only help kindle a newfound love, well OK, "like" for mass transit among Columbusites in general.
Did you miss the part where COTA is revamping their entire system and like tripling high-frequency and express routes?
The Crew is having its best attendance year since 2004 and is on pace to surpass its inaugural season total. Sell-out games are up, as well as seasonal ticket sales.
Did you miss the part where COTA is revamping their entire system and like tripling high-frequency and express routes?
But will they have maps with fun color-coded routes? And will I be able to use it by the end of this year? That'll be great if/when they do it and unlike now where there is no distinction made between routes that are high frequency or not they need to include it in some new branding for these routes. Couldn't find that included here. http://www.cota.com/assets/Publicati...2017_Final.pdf
A potentially large investment by Amazon in the Columbus area.
Beat me to it. I really hope this project won't be somewhere out in the suburbs, but that's likely where such a project would go. $1.1 billion is very significant, so who knows. A new tower Downtown would be awesome, but probably wishful thinking. New Albany would be my actual guess.
Beat me to it. I really hope this project won't be somewhere out in the suburbs, but that's likely where such a project would go. $1.1 billion is very significant, so who knows. A new tower Downtown would be awesome, but probably wishful thinking. New Albany would be my actual guess.
I can't see this type of business being downtown. I think you are correct with New Albany, perhaps the business park that runs parallel to 161. If not, then Dublin in the Tuttle area would be another candidate.
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