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Old 10-08-2014, 12:10 PM
 
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Stark the developer who announced nuCLEus doesnt' have a reputation for coming through...he was to do major major development in the Warehouse District that had a lot of buzz...and everything fell through...so I'll believe nuCLEus when I actually see something go up.
The Warehouse District project was pre-depression; just about everything did, especially giant retail centers akin to Crocker Park. Since then, the nuCLEus project is completely different, in a much better location (the already dense Gateway area) with laneways being introduced to downtown Cleveland as a complement to the cities Arcades (unique spaces themselves) and, its going to happen. The parcels for the development were just acquired. I know you don't want to hear that given your recent, let's see, posts: Hilton Hotel (guaranteed boondoggle); nuCLEus (not going to happen).

I think it's a different environment, especially in downtown Cincinnati and Cleveland, Ohio's true original urban (downtown) cities.

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Old 10-10-2014, 08:36 AM
 
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Everyone I've ever known who has worked downtown at one point or another has pretty much loathed it.
What? I would "loath" working or living in the burbs.....

Anywho, no need for high rise. Let's just continue filling in the surface lots with mid rises, revitalizing the existing buildings, and providing infrastructure upgrades. The only thing that is concerning is some of the development work has been producing sub par buildings that look to be a 20 year structure.
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Old 10-11-2014, 11:59 AM
 
Location: MPLS
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Another block like the 16 Bit-Dirty Frank's-Little Palace block > a skyscraper.
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Old 10-11-2014, 01:38 PM
 
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Downtown needs critical mass before these tall buildings emerge. With so much open space yet to infill, developers can easily get away with small to mid-height buildings because land is not at a premium at the cost does no justify the benefits. When that land is filled, then you'll see more tall development.

Another issue in central Ohio is the lack of traffic. People more inclined to live in the suburbs and who work downtown don't really have to take traffic into consideration when making that decision. There are some choke points, but it's still pretty easy to get around. If it took 90 minutes instead of 20-30 to get from Dublin to downtown, then you'd see more people moving downtown. More demand = more building, and more building means more tall buildings. You can look at Toronto as a great example of this. Not that Columbus is on that level, but the amount of really tall skyscrappers going up in Toronto is astounding - far more than anywhere else in North America. That's not necessarily due to people wanting to live in these buildings, but instead because it may take hours to get to work if they lived outside of the core. If Columbus continues it current rate of growth it WILL get there, it's just going to take a decade or two more.
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Old 10-11-2014, 05:02 PM
 
Location: Mexico City, formerly Columbus, Ohio
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Downtown needs critical mass before these tall buildings emerge. With so much open space yet to infill, developers can easily get away with small to mid-height buildings because land is not at a premium at the cost does no justify the benefits. When that land is filled, then you'll see more tall development.

Another issue in central Ohio is the lack of traffic. People more inclined to live in the suburbs and who work downtown don't really have to take traffic into consideration when making that decision. There are some choke points, but it's still pretty easy to get around. If it took 90 minutes instead of 20-30 to get from Dublin to downtown, then you'd see more people moving downtown. More demand = more building, and more building means more tall buildings. You can look at Toronto as a great example of this. Not that Columbus is on that level, but the amount of really tall skyscrappers going up in Toronto is astounding - far more than anywhere else in North America. That's not necessarily due to people wanting to live in these buildings, but instead because it may take hours to get to work if they lived outside of the core. If Columbus continues it current rate of growth it WILL get there, it's just going to take a decade or two more.
Toronto's condo boom is a lot like Miami's pre-recession. It's going to bust and bust hard.
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Old 10-12-2014, 12:16 AM
 
Location: Columbus, OH
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Downtown needs critical mass before these tall buildings emerge. With so much open space yet to infill, developers can easily get away with small to mid-height buildings because land is not at a premium at the cost does no justify the benefits. When that land is filled, then you'll see more tall development.

Another issue in central Ohio is the lack of traffic. People more inclined to live in the suburbs and who work downtown don't really have to take traffic into consideration when making that decision. There are some choke points, but it's still pretty easy to get around. If it took 90 minutes instead of 20-30 to get from Dublin to downtown, then you'd see more people moving downtown. More demand = more building, and more building means more tall buildings. You can look at Toronto as a great example of this. Not that Columbus is on that level, but the amount of really tall skyscrappers going up in Toronto is astounding - far more than anywhere else in North America. That's not necessarily due to people wanting to live in these buildings, but instead because it may take hours to get to work if they lived outside of the core. If Columbus continues it current rate of growth it WILL get there, it's just going to take a decade or two more.
If Columbus ever gets to the point where it takes 90 minutes to drive from Dublin to downtown, I will be long gone. If I wanted to put up with that kind of crap, I would move to NYC.
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Old 10-12-2014, 02:13 AM
 
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90 minutes is an exaggeration, of course, but the point is that traffic really isn't a huge consideration in inticing people to downtown. Nobody in Columbus (who works downtown) purposefully moves downtown to avoid a hefty commute. People who live downtown are primarily those who chose/want to live there, which is why the pace of development/redevelopment is slow to moderate.

As for traffic, Columbus will likely pass one million people by 2030, so those minutes are going to start piling on.
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Old 10-12-2014, 08:11 AM
 
Location: Mexico City, formerly Columbus, Ohio
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90 minutes is an exaggeration, of course, but the point is that traffic really isn't a huge consideration in inticing people to downtown. Nobody in Columbus (who works downtown) purposefully moves downtown to avoid a hefty commute. People who live downtown are primarily those who chose/want to live there, which is why the pace of development/redevelopment is slow to moderate.

As for traffic, Columbus will likely pass one million people by 2030, so those minutes are going to start piling on.
I know people who moved to Downtown, or at least closer to Downtown, because they worked there.

The pace of development is on par with, if not ahead of, most of Columbus' national peer cities. It could always be building more, I suppose, but residential construction within the 1950 urban core has quadrupled in the last 2-3 years.
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Old 10-13-2014, 06:01 PM
 
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The steel rising up for the 250 High - New 12-Story Mixed-Use Building shows up pretty well from the freeway. It should add a little something extra to the skyline.
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Old 10-14-2014, 08:17 AM
 
Location: Passed out on the trail to Hanakapi'ai
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Will Columbus get more skyscrapers in the future? I couldnt find any that are planned on being built. Shouldn't a city of over 800,000 people have more skyscrapers?
More? When did they get one?
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