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In-State vs. Out-of-State Migration
From IRS data from from 2000 - 2010, Columbus had 43,782 people from within the state of Ohio migrated to its metro. During that same time period it had a net negative or loss of 19,677 of out of state migrants. For comparison Austin Texas had 50,806 people from within Texas but drew 89,660 people from outside of Texas. Charlotte drew only 4,745 people from within North Carolina but drew 159,533 people from outside the state. Portland drew 8,180 people from within Oregon but drew 73,936 people from outside of Oregon. Nashville drew 8,172 people from within Tennessee but drew 50,289 people from outside Tennessee. Most likely young people from within Ohio go to Columbus for college but Columbus like the other Ohio cities is not drawing people in net positive numbers from outside the state.
In-State vs. Out-of-State Migration
From IRS data from from 2000 - 2010, Columbus had 43,782 people from within the state of Ohio migrated to its metro. During that same time period it had a net negative or loss of 19,677 of out of state migrants. For comparison Austin Texas had 50,806 people from within Texas but drew 89,660 people from outside of Texas. Charlotte drew only 4,745 people from within North Carolina but drew 159,533 people from outside the state. Portland drew 8,180 people from within Oregon but drew 73,936 people from outside of Oregon. Nashville drew 8,172 people from within Tennessee but drew 50,289 people from outside Tennessee. Most likely young people from within Ohio go to Columbus for college but Columbus like the other Ohio cities is not drawing people in net positive numbers from outside the state.
I remember that article and there were several issues with the numbers that were addressed in the discussion. Most prominently, Renn used IRS numbers rather than census data, which makes no sense. Second, it was several years outdated even when that article was first posted. Third, it fully ignored migration from outside of the US. The article implied that no one moved to Columbus except from within Ohio, which was ridiculous. Fourth, the numbers were based on estimates, not even the 2010 count. Renn also had an ongoing negative bias about Columbus. He was a big Indianapolis homer, at least at the time.
The Census also does estimates for county-county migration. A more recent estimate is significantly different than the Renn numbers. The 2009-2013 estimate had an Ohio net of +11,366, and out-of-state net of -466. The out-of-state numbers have been gradually heading towards positive, but the census did not have negative numbers from the 2000s anywhere near those that Renn posted. The 2009-2013 numbers had Columbus with positive out-of-state net migration from 24 states during that period, and was only in the negative because of Florida.
I remember that article and there were several issues with the numbers that were addressed in the discussion. Most prominently, Renn used IRS numbers rather than census data, which makes no sense. Second, it was several years outdated even when that article was first posted. Third, it fully ignored migration from outside of the US. The article implied that no one moved to Columbus except from within Ohio, which was ridiculous. Fourth, the numbers were based on estimates, not even the 2010 count. Renn also had an ongoing negative bias about Columbus. He was a big Indianapolis homer, at least at the time.
The Census also does estimates for county-county migration. A more recent estimate is significantly different than the Renn numbers. The 2009-2013 estimate had an Ohio net of +11,366, and out-of-state net of -466. The out-of-state numbers have been gradually heading towards positive, but the census did not have negative numbers from the 2000s anywhere near those that Renn posted. The 2009-2013 numbers had Columbus with positive out-of-state net migration from 24 states during that period, and was only in the negative because of Florida.
Remember the 2016 Presidential election? We can choose to believe what the experts and their powerpoints are telling us is going on or we can believe what our own eyes are showing us.
I've never heard one person, outside of the region, discussing relocating or even visiting Columbus. Not at a bar, a bus stop, a baseball game, the checkout line, anywhere. Even in Pittsburgh I can only recall a single occasion hearing a young couple talking about their relocation to Columbus at a hotel bar.
I can't walk down the street without overhearing someone talking about a visit or possible relocation to Austin, Nashville, or Portland.
I think Coseau's point stands.
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Originally Posted by Clever nickname here
Obvious Columbus to the other two C is quick and easy by car so really Cleveland Cinci would be the trip for which a train would be nice. Just not sure there is enough business between the two for a train to be economically viable.
I have no idea where he got Columbus isn't attractive to young people. The Columbus area colleges make for one the nation's largest collection of college aged young adults. Columbus has also become a big tech hub for the Midwest.
Right, just like Gainsville has a large collection of college aged young adults, who moved there to attend the University of Florida. I'm not sure that makes Gainsville "attractive to young people."
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Originally Posted by osubrett2
For the purpose of this thread, a local light rail would need to be small at first (obviously).
If/when there is a serious light rail proposal/plan, I think the first line should be High Street from Clintonville to German Village following the High Five plan. It wouldn't have to be Morse Rd. Clintonville, but think there would be significant interest north of campus.
My second line proposal would be Franklinton (COSI/Vets Memorial/east Franklinton) out to the airport. I'd follow Broad Street, to hit OTE and Bexley before the airport.
Franklinton to CSCC is the most likely for this latest proposal, I believe.
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In-State vs. Out-of-State Migration
From IRS data from from 2000 - 2010, Columbus had 43,782 people from within the state of Ohio migrated to its metro. During that same time period it had a net negative or loss of 19,677 of out of state migrants. For comparison Austin Texas had 50,806 people from within Texas but drew 89,660 people from outside of Texas. Charlotte drew only 4,745 people from within North Carolina but drew 159,533 people from outside the state. Portland drew 8,180 people from within Oregon but drew 73,936 people from outside of Oregon. Nashville drew 8,172 people from within Tennessee but drew 50,289 people from outside Tennessee. Most likely young people from within Ohio go to Columbus for college but Columbus like the other Ohio cities is not drawing people in net positive numbers from outside the state.
That was seven years ago. Columbus has changed quite a bit in that time.
Remember the 2016 Presidential election? We can choose to believe what the experts and their powerpoints are telling us is going on or we can believe what our own eyes are showing us.
I've never heard one person, outside of the region, discussing relocating or even visiting Columbus. Not at a bar, a bus stop, a baseball game, the checkout line, anywhere. Even in Pittsburgh I can only recall a single occasion hearing a young couple talking about their relocation to Columbus at a hotel bar.
I can't walk down the street without overhearing someone talking about a visit or possible relocation to Austin, Nashville, or Portland.
Columbus actually enjoys pretty positive press from the leading national newspapers. I agree in general the city (and state) tend to fly under the radar of many people. We aren't a touristy city like Nashville nor do we have the natural beauty of Portland so it's not really surprising that people aren't talking about vacationing here lol. I would recommend coming for a specific event of interest i.e. The Arnold (which is this weekend), a Bluejackets game, OSU, Pride etc.
I also don't really understand your incessant need to bash our city. If you don't like it, don't visit.
Columbus actually enjoys pretty positive press from the leading national newspapers. I agree in general the city (and state) tend to fly under the radar of many people. We aren't a touristy city like Nashville nor do we have the natural beauty of Portland so it's not really surprising that people aren't talking about vacationing here lol. I would recommend coming for a specific event of interest i.e. The Arnold (which is this weekend), a Bluejackets game, OSU, Pride etc.
I also don't really understand your incessant need to bash our city. If you don't like it, don't visit.
Not at all, just an assessment of a situation. I'm also critical of San Diego for it's blown opportunities and failure to compete with other cities in the region.
You left out Austin, a city similarly geographically situated as Columbus, in your comparison.
Not at all, just an assessment of a situation. I'm also critical of San Diego for it's blown opportunities and failure to compete with other cities in the region.
You left out Austin, a city similarly geographically situated as Columbus, in your comparison.
Nowhere near the same extent as Austin but people from out of state certainly do choose to make lives here in Columbus, I would know I'm a New Jersey native. Yes Ohio could do a much better job of stopping brain drain but there seems to be a clear effort to reinvest in our downtowns and core neighborhoods, look at all of the urban development happening all over Columbus and the revitalization of Cleveland (Ohio City) and Cincinnati (OTR).
Not at all, just an assessment of a situation. I'm also critical of San Diego for it's blown opportunities and failure to compete with other cities in the region.
You left out Austin, a city similarly geographically situated as Columbus, in your comparison.
I grew up in Austin, lived there for 25 years( '77-'02) and still go 'home' regularly. I see a remarkably similar story happening right now in Columbus. I'd say Columbus' trajectory is about where Austin's was in the early 90s; liberal magnet in a generally conservative area, two much larger established major cities close by, people come to attend the flagship university and then don't want to leave, highly educated population, a lot of people that enjoy outdoor recreation, seat of state government, not on navigable water so never had much heavy industry, had and lost an air base, and is reliant on the service/professional industries for the jobs beyond government and OSU. Additionally, the Great Recession seems every bit the entrepreneurial spark that the oil bust, and subsequent real estate bust in Texas, in the late 80s was for Austin.
I'm seeing that companies are now opening offices in the area to tap into the intellectual capital being produced at the area colleges much like what we've seen previously in; Silicon Valley, Research Triangle, Austin, etc.
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Remember the 2016 Presidential election? We can choose to believe what the experts and their powerpoints are telling us is going on or we can believe what our own eyes are showing us.
I've never heard one person, outside of the region, discussing relocating or even visiting Columbus. Not at a bar, a bus stop, a baseball game, the checkout line, anywhere. Even in Pittsburgh I can only recall a single occasion hearing a young couple talking about their relocation to Columbus at a hotel bar.
I can't walk down the street without overhearing someone talking about a visit or possible relocation to Austin, Nashville, or Portland.
I think Coseau's point stands.
Right, just like Gainsville has a large collection of college aged young adults, who moved there to attend the University of Florida. I'm not sure that makes Gainsville "attractive to young people."
Franklinton to CSCC is the most likely for this latest proposal, I believe.
The election didn't change reality regardless of whether people believe it. Reality still exists. Your anecdote about what you hear or don't hear has no bearing on the actual numbers, sorry. You can check the Census migration data if you think I'm being untruthful or manipulating the numbers in any way.
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