CMH airport. Not much to write home about. (Columbus, Cleveland: to rent, house)

[Cbus76]

All of the Ohio airports are just meh. Not bad, not great. Decent number of non-stops, though certainly not internationally. Total passenger numbers for 2018:


Cleveland: 9,642,729
Columbus: 8,141,656
Cincinnati: 8,865,568

[Cleveland_Collector]

Originally Posted by I_am_Father_McKenzie

Yes, the region. I never claimed otherwise. In fact the opposite.

Columbus is a city. It isn't a region.

Columbus has over 30,000 rooms. Average 1.5 people per room and that's 45,000 visitors per day at full capacity. So again, even if ZERO visitors stayed with whom they're visiting Columbus hotel capacity could easily handle 27,000 daily visitors.

The 17 county area you apparently believe to be Columbus proper has around 28,000 hotel rooms. The well underestimated 5 county area that is the Cleveland MSA has around 22,000. By adding just Summit County which is directly to the south, the 6 county area has about the same amount of hotel rooms in about 1/3 of the footprint. When putting together a comparable footprint, the NEO region has nearly 50,000. I'm failing to see the source of your zeal on this one.

Clearly I meant state employees from Cincinnati, Cleveland, Toledo, etc coming to Columbus. That is not a daily commute, and would be a day trip visitor. Anyway just at the beginning of this comment you confirmed this is a regional stat so people would have to be traveling super far to be considered a visitor. You're embarrasing yourself with your ignorance of Columbus, and inability to understand it gets plenty of visitors. Please, just stop.

Well, that's just it. You don't have to travel all that far, given the stats that you believe. All they would have to do is whiff part of the 17 county area's atmosphere to be considered a visitor by you and/or your "source." And how often do you really think the average state employee goes to Columbus proper on average? For the entire state employee payroll, $2.4MM was spent on meals and lodging in 2018. This is not limited to Columbus. Even at a paltry $150 per diem, that's only 16,000 annual room nights in the ENTIRE STATE OF OHIO. Even if Columbus accrues 100% of that tally (which it clearly doesn't), that's only 64 overnight stays per day considering a 250 day work year. The only one embarrassing themselves is you.

[I_am_Father_McKenzie]

Originally Posted by Cleveland_Collector

Columbus is a city. It isn't a region.

Today I learned MSAs don't exist. What does this comment even try to mean?

Originally Posted by Cleveland_Collector

The 17 county area you apparently believe to be Columbus proper has around 28,000 hotel rooms. The well underestimated 5 county area that is the Cleveland MSA has around 22,000. By adding just Summit County which is directly to the south, the 6 county area has about the same amount of hotel rooms in about 1/3 of the footprint. When putting together a comparable footprint, the NEO region has nearly 50,000. I'm failing to see the source of your zeal on this one.

Strawman in first sentence. Rest of the paragraph literally doesn't mean anything. What do you think you're saying here?

Originally Posted by Cleveland_Collector

Well, that's just it. You don't have to travel all that far, given the stats that you believe. All they would have to do is whiff part of the 17 county area's atmosphere to be considered a visitor by you and/or your "source." And how often do you really think the average state employee goes to Columbus proper on average? For the entire state employee payroll, $2.4MM was spent on meals and lodging in 2018. This is not limited to Columbus. Even at a paltry $150 per diem, that's only 16,000 annual room nights in the ENTIRE STATE OF OHIO. Even if Columbus accrues 100% of that tally (which it clearly doesn't), that's only 64 overnight stays per day considering a 250 day work year. The only one embarrassing themselves is you.

I clearly said day trips. I also made no comment on how many people do this. So great job beating up another strawman. Continue arguing with yourself if you please, but it's just embarrassing, dude. I know it's par for the course for Clevelanders. Maybe you should stay stuck in the 1930s mindset, and on the Cleveland boards instead of peddling Cleveland nonsense on a Columbus forum talking about nothing but the Columbus airport and travel industry. You Clevelanders just can't help yourselves.

For others reading here's the November update for the Columbus tourism industry. It's booming more than ever!

https://www.experiencecolumbus.com/a...uarter-report/

[I_am_Father_McKenzie]

Originally Posted by Cbus76

All of the Ohio airports are just meh. Not bad, not great. Decent number of non-stops, though certainly not internationally. Total passenger numbers for 2018:


Cleveland: 9,642,729
Columbus: 8,141,656
Cincinnati: 8,865,568

Yep. Having 5 same-sized cities in a 6 hour diameter circle centered on Columbus makes it hard for the individual airports to really standout. Especially since Detroit and Chicago sit right outside it. Using each airport's most recent numbers YTD % change (CLE through August, CMH through September, and CVG through October) will net these numbers:

Cleveland: 10,106,544 (+4.81%)
Columbus: 8,662,722 (+6.40%)
Cincinnati: 9,085,434 (+2.48%)

[htfdcolt]

Originally Posted by Jbeechuk

Yeah, the CMH airport is about as depressing an airport as I’ve ever been to. And they just finished an expensive renovation about 2 years ago. Current plans call for a $2B new terminal to be added in about 10 years.

Not sure how much an improvement they can make. Columbus isn’t a hub airport, nor will this town ever be a massive draw for conventions and such. Besides the Arnold Classic weekend, no one flocks to this city really.

Are you serious? Have you ever been to Logan which is my home airport? Except for the International Terminal E, the place feels like Port Authority circa 1978...now that's depressing, especially given Boston's stature on the world stage.

I just started using CMH in June, as my elderly parents moved here...have probably flown in/out 3 times and gone once to pick up a visitor. I've actually been favorably impressed--it's brightly lit, bathrooms are clean, and it feels modern. And it's got a 24-hr Starbucks which I actually ended up patronizing around 10 pm recently! How many airports have eating places open that late, let alone 24 hrs?

CMH is more than fine for the city it represents. Be proud.

[db108108]

Originally Posted by Cleveland_Collector

Columbus is a city. It isn't a region.





The 17 county area you apparently believe to be Columbus proper has around 28,000 hotel rooms. The well underestimated 5 county area that is the Cleveland MSA has around 22,000. By adding just Summit County which is directly to the south, the 6 county area has about the same amount of hotel rooms in about 1/3 of the footprint. When putting together a comparable footprint, the NEO region has nearly 50,000. I'm failing to see the source of your zeal on this one.





Well, that's just it. You don't have to travel all that far, given the stats that you believe. All they would have to do is whiff part of the 17 county area's atmosphere to be considered a visitor by you and/or your "source." And how often do you really think the average state employee goes to Columbus proper on average? For the entire state employee payroll, $2.4MM was spent on meals and lodging in 2018. This is not limited to Columbus. Even at a paltry $150 per diem, that's only 16,000 annual room nights in the ENTIRE STATE OF OHIO. Even if Columbus accrues 100% of that tally (which it clearly doesn't), that's only 64 overnight stays per day considering a 250 day work year. The only one embarrassing themselves is you.

It must must so hard to have the city of Columbus living rent free in your head. How do you survive?

[Cleveland_Collector]

Originally Posted by db108108

It must must so hard to have the city of Columbus living rent free in your head. How do you survive?

The same way you do having my comments living 'rent free' in yours, clearly.

[STLCityMike]

Avoiding a long quote - but there is a comment about St. Louis being a sad airport? While we (like Cleveland and Cincy) suffered from airline consolidation and losing a hub (TWA, American) Southwest has expanded and our airport has recovered. We offer two terminals (#1 for most airlines and #2 for Southwest).

STL Non Stop Service: https://www.flystl.com/flights-and-a...n-stop-service (this excludes air service from our secondary airport - which is here: Pages - Flight Information

CBus Non Stop Service: https://flycolumbus.com/flights/dest...-from-columbus

I can certainly say that flying out of STL terminal #1 and concourse C is not what is used to be, but while that concourse is quieter others are still faring well, and terminal #2 is bustling / expanding, and in fact taking over once - closed areas of Concourse D that was associated with Terminal #1.

Even using 2018statistics (from Wiki Pedia) STL Ranks 34 and CBus ranks 50. This is volume and not airport experiences, but we have (CODIV aside) grown since then.

Just a some information to consider. I would also agree with comments on the struggle for any airport in OH to regain hub status in todays climate. There is just not enough airlines to have hubs in all our markets. Now with COVID, we will see who survives and how the climate looks once we get through. Hoping St. Louis continues to be a focus city for Southwest.

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by 304eer

I don't know how that's sad? We are in the dead center of 5 other large airports/cities within 2-3 hours (Cincy, Cleveland, Indy, Pittsburgh, Detroit). These airports are 49th, 44th, 46th, 47th, and 19th. Plus add in Lexington, Louisville, Dayton, etc. We will never be a large, destination airport. There's nothing wrong with that.

Also, Akron/Canton which definitely competes with Columbus.

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by wrightflyer

If anyone wants to talk sad airports, go to Memphis, Cleveland or St. Louis. Or fly to tiny airports like Evansville, IN, or Newburgh, NY.

Cleveland Hopkins has one major advantage over Columbus and most U.S. airports. The Red Line rail rapid has a terminal right next to its luggage pick-up. For the $2.50 fare, you can go to Tower City in the heart of downtown, a massive complex with Cleveland's casino and two hotels, one a Ritz. Tower City is connected to Rocket Mortgage Field House (NBA, AHL) by an enclosed walkway. So you can go from the airport to the casino or RMFH without ever stepping outside. The pedestrian walkway also serves Progressive Field (MLB). For NFL games, the RTA Waterfront rail line runs from Tower City to First Energy Stadium.

The Red Line, for the same $2.50 fare also would take passengers from the airport to University Circle and Little Italy, 16 miles away. Case Western University has a Red Line station. Imagine if there was a rail rapid from the Columbus airport to Ohio State!!!

https://www.universitycircle.org/

This excellent mass transit functionality rarely is considered when evaluating Cleveland Hopkins.