Is Columbus the best city in the Midwest? (Green, Forest: best schools, calculating)

[Losfrisco]

Originally Posted by nadnerb

If you think a company as massive as Intel is just randomly throwing darts at a map to determine location, then you have no clue how businesses operate.

Access to clients, access to labor force, employee retention -- all important and a huge factor in location decisions. For example, metro Columbus has a higher educational attainment than metro Cleveland, and therefore, has a higher percent of skilled labor. This isn't the kind of stuff companies, especially technical-oriented ones, just gloss over.

Right, and the combination of those things along with the absence of the type of rail infrastructure that pretty much all similar sized metro areas on planet earth would have that made Columbus a good choice.


Its not like OSU grads wouldn't have just relocated to Cincinnati or Cleveland had the plant been built there.

[nadnerb]

Originally Posted by Losfrisco

Right, and the combination of those things along with the absence of the type of rail infrastructure that pretty much all similar sized metro areas on planet earth would have that made Columbus a good choice.


Its not like OSU grads wouldn't have just relocated to Cincinnati or Cleveland had the plant been built there.

Your rail theory doesn't hold true because you can still have rail infrastructure in a place with a chip manufacturing site, so long as it is not in the immediate vicinity of the plant. Hillsboro, OR has a rail stop only a few miles away from its fab site. There's a new manufacturing facility in the Phoenix metro, which is expanding its light rail system.

I sincerely doubt Intel execs were like "hmm metro Columbus doesn't have any passenger rail, I guess we'll fast pass it to the top of our list!" because whether the metro itself has a passenger rail system or not is irrelevant.

[Natural510]

Originally Posted by Losfrisco

Its not like OSU grads wouldn't have just relocated to Cincinnati or Cleveland had the plant been built there.

They don't need the grads as much as they need partnership with research being done at the university itself. They could've chosen Ann Arbor or Madison, but likely wanted Columbus with its larger metro, amenities and more centralized location.
Your posts just read like classic hateration because you're stuck on one piece of infrastructure (which no one outside the Northeast even uses) while ignoring all the benefits being offered. The idea a political circus of groveling at the feet of a reality TV star was chosen with utmost precision while a $100B corporate expansion was randomized is laughable.

[Losfrisco]

Originally Posted by Natural510

They don't need the grads as much as they need partnership with research being done at the university itself. They could've chosen Ann Arbor or Madison, but likely wanted Columbus with its larger metro, amenities and more centralized location.
Your posts just read like classic hateration because you're stuck on one piece of infrastructure (which no one outside the Northeast even uses) while ignoring all the benefits being offered. The idea a political circus of groveling at the feet of a reality TV star was chosen with utmost precision while a $100B corporate expansion was randomized is laughable.

That's all conjecture.

Look around the internet for articles about this.


The only ones that even mention Columbus are the ones in the Columbus Dispatch.

Outside of the bubble of Columbus, Ohio, this is a story about Intel and Ohio, with Columbus pretty much just a bystander.


Lol.

Three of the top five light rail systems by ridership in the country are in California-might want to rethink your generic assumptions about interurban rail use around the country.

[Losfrisco]

Originally Posted by nadnerb

Your rail theory doesn't hold true because you can still have rail infrastructure in a place with a chip manufacturing site, so long as it is not in the immediate vicinity of the plant. Hillsboro, OR has a rail stop only a few miles away from its fab site. There's a new manufacturing facility in the Phoenix metro, which is expanding its light rail system.

I sincerely doubt Intel execs were like "hmm metro Columbus doesn't have any passenger rail, I guess we'll fast pass it to the top of our list!" because whether the metro itself has a passenger rail system or not is irrelevant.

Direct quote:

“We got this call, and they said, ‘Hey, do you have a facility that meets all of these standards?’ It had to be … a lot of little things — like it couldn’t even be near a railroad track because of the vibration, it can’t have a vibration. You have to have more than 1,000 acres. It had to have the infrastructure. It had to have reliable electricity. It had to have access to a workforce,” Husted said.

https://www.nbc4i.com/intel-in-ohio/...or-chip-plant/


So its not really a theory.

[I_am_Father_McKenzie]

Originally Posted by Losfrisco

That's all conjecture.

Look around the internet for articles about this.


The only ones that even mention Columbus are the ones in the Columbus Dispatch.

Outside of the bubble of Columbus, Ohio, this is a story about Intel and Ohio, with Columbus pretty much just a bystander.


Lol.

Three of the top five light rail systems by ridership in the country are in California-might want to rethink your generic assumptions about interurban rail use around the country.

You are the biggest bad faith poster here.

Yes, let's invest $100 billion and have our biggest and main priority for location be that it's a large parcel not near rail. Literally nothing else went into it.

Quoting just the light rail systems... hahahaha.

Anyway, the point is that 78% of people drive their car to work in the US. Take away the Northeast Corridor and it's probably 85%. Columbus not having commuter rail is your argument for what again exactly? I can't remember why you even brought it up it's so pointless.

[nadnerb]

Originally Posted by Losfrisco

Direct quote:

“We got this call, and they said, ‘Hey, do you have a facility that meets all of these standards?’ It had to be … a lot of little things — like it couldn’t even be near a railroad track because of the vibration, it can’t have a vibration. You have to have more than 1,000 acres. It had to have the infrastructure. It had to have reliable electricity. It had to have access to a workforce,” Husted said.

https://www.nbc4i.com/intel-in-ohio/...or-chip-plant/

So its not really a theory.

That quote doesn't support whatever it is you're trying to argue. All it says is that the facility can't be built on a parcel of land near a railroad track. It doesn't specify how far it needs to be from a railroad, but based on the fact that Hillsboro, OR has a train line running straight through the town center, we can assume that as long as the facility is at least a couple miles away from a railroad track, it should fit the requirements.

You bringing up the fact that Columbus has no passenger rail is pointless in this context anyway because Central Ohio still has many freight lines running through it which presents the same challenges as it would for other cities.

[Losfrisco]

Originally Posted by nadnerb

That quote doesn't support whatever it is you're trying to argue. All it says is that the facility can't be built on a parcel of land near a railroad track. It doesn't specify how far it needs to be from a railroad, but based on the fact that Hillsboro, OR has a train line running straight through the town center, we can assume that as long as the facility is at least a couple miles away from a railroad track, it should fit the requirements.

You bringing up the fact that Columbus has no passenger rail is pointless in this context anyway because Central Ohio still has many freight lines running through it which presents the same challenges as it would for other cities.

Its a larger facility.

I doubt a large enough parcel of land could have been secured in metro Cleveland or Cincinnati that would have met their seismic restrictions in the way New Albany could.

[Losfrisco]

Originally Posted by I_am_Father_McKenzie

You are the biggest bad faith poster here.

Yes, let's invest $100 billion and have our biggest and main priority for location be that it's a large parcel not near rail. Literally nothing else went into it.

Quoting just the light rail systems... hahahaha.

Anyway, the point is that 78% of people drive their car to work in the US. Take away the Northeast Corridor and it's probably 85%. Columbus not having commuter rail is your argument for what again exactly? I can't remember why you even brought it up it's so pointless.

Yes, other factors went into this-at the state level.


To me, its extremely obvious why Licking County is the site location. They wanted to be near a large population center in a semi rural area. We have a quote from the Lt. Gov citing rail concerns as a site consideration.

We can quote heavy rail also, two of the top ten systems are in California, and the heavy rail in the northeast isn't always faster than the light rail on the west coast.

[nadnerb]

Originally Posted by Losfrisco

Its a larger facility.

I doubt a large enough parcel of land could have been secured in metro Cleveland or Cincinnati that would have met their seismic restrictions in the way New Albany could.

This is just conjecture though.

They said Licking County had the only parcel of land that would meet the land restrictions. Not being near railroad tracks was only one of those restrictions. In the article, it says "It had to be... a lot of little things" explicitly stating that there were multiple requirements that had to be met.

Just looking at a rail map of Ohio, there's plenty of "dead space" northwest of Cincinnati in Hamilton County with zero rail coverage. You can find a similar situation in metro Cleveland east of Cleveland Heights.

https://www.rail.ohio.gov/static/Doc...apbackside.jpg