Is Cbus one big suburb? (Columbus, Cleveland: homes, high school, gated)

[WeSoHood]

lol hillside obviously you haven't spent much time in Cleveland. First off, it has many more africans than Columbus.. Cleveland has the largest African American population in Ohio. Cleveland has a very large Puerto Rican population as well. On the westside of Cleveland there are large numbers of Middle Easterners, Indians, Romanians, Hungarians, Germans, Armenians, etc all of which have their own distinct neighborhoods. You have the Polish neighborhoods in the south in the areas of Parma, Parma Hts, etc. Little Italy/ Murray Hill and China town..The large jewish populations in the east side suburbs. The 10% Indian population of Highland Heights.


I'm sorry, Columbus is a great city, but it is far from the most diverse city in Ohio. Cleveland is far more diverse than outsiders give it credit for.

[WeSoHood]

Originally Posted by streetcreed

You went to all of the suburbs that lack black populations. Columbus has suburbs that are known for having strong middle class black populations.

Pickerington, Reynoldsburgh, Gahanna, and Canal Winchester are diverse to very diverse middle class suburbs. They are all on the east and south east side.
These suburbs have actually had developers building upscale housing geared toward African Americans. Each housing style is named after a famous well-to-do African American. Cleveland and Cincinnati both lack middle class suburbs that have a true appeal to middle class Blacks.

Everyone on this board has a point, but these is a lack of knowledge coming from many of the Cleveland folks that seem to enjoy spending so much time in the Columbus forum.

Pickerington : 93% white 3% black 1.5% Asian - not diverse
Reynooldsburgh: 85% White, 10% Black ... a little more diverse, I suppose
Gahanna: Same as Reynoldsburgh
Canal Winchester:96% white, 2% Black


I'm sorry, but these suburbs aren't exactly screaming diversity.

And how does Cleveland lack areas that appeal to middle class blacks? There are more in Cleveland than Columbus. Shaker Heights, Cleveland Heights, University Heights, Berea, etc.. I'll throw in Solon, Twinsburg, Pepper Pike, Beachwood, etc.. if you count 6-10% black as "diverse"

Seriously, look up every one of those cities, and see how they are more diverse than Columbus suburbs - and are all middle to upper class areas. You speak that Clevelanders don't know what they are talking about when you have no god damn clue at all!

Cleveland Hts: 52.50% White, 41.78% African American, 2% Asian
Shaker Hts: 59.94% White, 34.11% African American,
University Hts: 75.43% White, 20.61% African American
Solon: 87.79% White, 6.12% African American, 4.91% Asian,
Beachwood: 86.50% White, 9.08% African American, 3.21% Asian,
South Euclid: 75.24% White, 21.38% African American
Twinsburg: 86.93% White, 8.73% African American

Heck and those are just a few middle to upperclass suburbs that cater to african americans..

[BelieveInCleve]

WeSoHood,

I completely agree with your last two posts. Thats what I was trying to explain also during that argument. Columbus is diverse depending on what your comparing it to, but its just not nearly as diverse as the city of Cleveland and Greater Cleveland. Columbus has some more Asians and Somalians, Cleveland has more of just about everything else.

[hillside]

^^haven't posted on here since 11-22, yet on 12-16 i've got two simples besmirching my name, patting themselves on the back, congratulating ignorance as they hold tight to the last graces of old cleveland, unwilling to accept what columbus has become both in ohio, and to ohio.

this mentality is part of why cleveland struggles to reinvent itself. it thinks that a city that's been in a financial recession since the depression, and in outright depression since the 60's has 95% of everything to compete with a host of great cities already, so it consistently falls short to trained eyes.

[1watertiger]

hillside, dont forget mis-managment,corruption,greed,poor leadership,etc,etc. the skilled labor and resources are already here !

[BelieveInCleve]

Originally Posted by hillside

^^haven't posted on here since 11-22, yet on 12-16 i've got two simples besmirching my name, patting themselves on the back, congratulating ignorance as they hold tight to the last graces of old cleveland, unwilling to accept what columbus has become both in ohio, and to ohio.

this mentality is part of why cleveland struggles to reinvent itself. it thinks that a city that's been in a financial recession since the depression, and in outright depression since the 60's has 95% of everything to compete with a host of great cities already, so it consistently falls short to trained eyes.

What are you talking about? I didnt even mention your name, I was agreeing with what WeSoHood said because its similar to what I was saying when the argument was going on, and its correct.

And how am I ignorant when Im right? I dont understand that. If anything your ignorant because you cant accept the fact that Columbus isnt the most diverse in Ohio. Just look at the stats yourself or the ones that have been shown and you would realize that. Columbus is diverse, but Cleveland as a city and a metro is more diverse than Columbus. I dont even see how thats debatable when its a proven fact. The sooner you accept that, the sooner this "argument" will be over. Your constant bashes towards Cleveland have no credibility either seeing as youve barely been here before (if ever).

[14thandYou]

Columbus is a nice city, but nothing about it screams "diversity" to me. That's just how it is. Sure, there are blacks, and hispanics, and somalis, and asians...but compared with other cities it's not exactly leading the bell curve. There's nothing inherently wrong or bad about this, it's just how the city's population shakes out.

[hillside]

columbus is a melting pot. cleveland is not. the difference? the surrounding areas where most everything is in the city of cleveland, it feels like a chocolate city. in columbus, those areas are very diverse. the white-bread areas you speak of are just as they are in cleveland - on the outskirts and dominant on one side of town.

you guys need to come hang out in capital city more often. the mixture of people here might surprise you.

[BelieveInCleve]

Yet again an almost entirely false post. Saying Cleveland isnt a melting pot shows how little you know about the area. Cleveland was a melting pot long before Columbus was, and it continues to be. Im not bashing Columbus, Im just telling the facts.

Nearly all the minorities in the Columbus metro live in the city of Columbus. Thats stereotypical urban-minority and suburban-white. Nearly every other city/suburb in the Columbus area is 85%+ white. Cleveland is not like that. You have many suburbs outside of Cleveland, especially on the Eastside, which are very diverse. Westside suburbs are increasing in diversity also. Not to forget about Elyria/Lorain/Oberlin, all diverse. Columbus is nothing like that. Cleveland has some of the only true hispanic neighborhoods in the state. Look at the westside of the city or Lorain, and the suburbs are becoming increasingly hispanic. There is chinatown and the asian population is growing also. The African-American population is the size of Cincinnatis' and Columbus' combined. Not even to mention all the other ethnicitys and cultures that make the Cleveland area so diverse. Columbus is diverse, but Cleveland is more diverse. I dont see why thats so hard for you to take in.

And like I said, Ive been to Columbus plenty. I was just there 2-3 weeks ago and have lived there for months and visited many many times.

[hillside]

Originally Posted by Cle440

Yet again an almost entirely false post. Saying Cleveland isnt a melting pot shows how little you know about the area. Cleveland was a melting pot long before Columbus was, and it continues to be. Im not bashing Columbus, Im just telling the facts.

Nearly all the minorities in the Columbus metro live in the city of Columbus. Thats stereotypical urban-minority and suburban-white. Nearly every other city/suburb in the Columbus area is 85%+ white. Cleveland is not like that. You have many suburbs outside of Cleveland, especially on the Eastside, which are very diverse. Westside suburbs are increasing in diversity also. Not to forget about Elyria/Lorain/Oberlin, all diverse. Columbus is nothing like that. Cleveland has some of the only true hispanic neighborhoods in the state. Look at the westside of the city or Lorain, and the suburbs are becoming increasingly hispanic. There is chinatown and the asian population is growing also. The African-American population is the size of Cincinnatis' and Columbus' combined. Not even to mention all the other ethnicitys and cultures that make the Cleveland area so diverse. Columbus is diverse, but Cleveland is more diverse. I dont see why thats so hard for you to take in.

And like I said, Ive been to Columbus plenty. I was just there 2-3 weeks ago and have lived there for months and visited many many times.

i was talking about the city, hence the part about "the city of cleveland". from some of the things you said, you must be convinced i've never been to cleveland.

chinatown is nothing more than something else cleveland can claim to offer despite having failed to execute the vision properly. the ethnic segregation of 1960 has muddled quite a bit in cleveland, and even in the heyday of various ethnic neighborhoods, it was an unhealthy urban socialization later mistaken for cosmopolitan by those not old enough to understand what the world was like when being of a locally, sometimes nationally disenfranchised ethnicity.

diverse is not all black, which is what you see on the eastside. the suburbs are diverse, but they are nothing more than suburbs, no different than any other major northern metro.