Is Cbus one big suburb? (live)

[1watertiger]

hillside, i go to columbus once a month. columbus is NO melting pot. as ive said before, my wife grew up in cbus her entire life and her family is still there. she wants me to tell you there is no comparison... however, with cleveland metro being so segregated certain neighborhoods and suburbs are all black or white or jewish etc... but as a whole, metro cleveland represents over 100 different nationalities and 88 langauges are still spoken in homes,churches and in the grocery lines. do you think columbus is a melting pot because people tend to mix in your city and not segregate ?

[1watertiger]

hillside, my bad. its 117 differant nationalities and 60 langauges spoken metro cleveland.

[2006Buckeye]

I don't think anyone cares if the residents of Columbus or Cleveland are blue, green or purple. It's obvious people have different opnions on the definition of diversity. The personal argument that is ongoing between a few posters has nothing to do with the the OP's question, and it certainly isn't contributing any useful information.

Could a moderator cut the irrelevant posts or have the contestants take their p***ing match to a new thread?

[chesapeake83]

Amen 2006Buckeye!

[14thandYou]

Originally Posted by hillside

you guys need to come hang out in capital city more often. the mixture of people here might surprise you.

Well, I lived in Columbus for 26 years, so I can speak with as much authority on this topic as anyone here. Columbus has a minority population, and certain minorities are better-represented than others...but it's not by any means an overwhelmingly diverse city. And as I said, that's not necessarily a negative, but let's just keep some perspective.

[WeSoHood]

Originally Posted by hillside

columbus is a melting pot. cleveland is not. the difference? the surrounding areas where most everything is in the city of cleveland, it feels like a chocolate city. in columbus, those areas are very diverse. the white-bread areas you speak of are just as they are in cleveland - on the outskirts and dominant on one side of town.

you guys need to come hang out in capital city more often. the mixture of people here might surprise you.

Haha that makes no sense... Cleveland suburbs are far more diverse.. East side and west side. Lakewood has like 30 different languages spoken in their High School. Lorain, Elyria, Berea, and Oberlin are also diverse on the westside. The eastside has Euclid, Cleveland Hts, Shaker Hts, Beachwood, University Hts, Painesville, Garfield Hts, Maples Hts, Etc...

I honestly have NO IDEA what you are talking about. Cleveland has far more diverse neighborhoods than Columbus.. Didn't you even see my post before listing black/white %'s in a couple NICE suburbs? This is the most absurd discussion EVER. By no means is Columbus a melting pot, nor does it compare to Cleveland or Cincy. Columbus is an awesome city, don't get that wrong! But it's NOT even close to a melting post of diversity. My suggestion for you hillside, is get the hell outta Ohio and check out some other cities!

[hillside]

i'm tired of cleveland using this thread as a springboard, so i'll let this one die. columbus is a much better option for multicultural advancement than any other city in ohio. cleveland may be diverse, but you guys keep coming at me with SUBURBAN arguments. i specifically said the CITY of cleveland. cleveland may be the worst city not named detroit or new orleans. this does not make cleveland an attractive place, thus the diversity you claim is in the suburbs. suburbs are suburbs, from cleveland to cincinnati to baltimore to st. louis. i'm not sure why anybody would think otherwise.

[GeminiGal]

Originally Posted by hillside

i'm tired of cleveland using this thread as a springboard, so i'll let this one die. columbus is a much better option for multicultural advancement than any other city in ohio. cleveland may be diverse, but you guys keep coming at me with SUBURBAN arguments. i specifically said the CITY of cleveland. cleveland may be the worst city not named detroit or new orleans. this does not make cleveland an attractive place, thus the diversity you claim is in the suburbs. suburbs are suburbs, from cleveland to cincinnati to baltimore to st. louis. i'm not sure why anybody would think otherwise.

I've noticed this too. Columbus doesn't have many posters that represent the city itself. It does appear that when someone asks a question about our city, folks from Cleveland (more often) and Cincinnati come here and start bashing Columbus. C'mon folks, if someoneone wants to move to OH in this economy, does it matter what "C" they pick? Why all the obvious jealously towards Columbus?

[BelieveInCleve]

Again, I think the word you guys are looking for with Columbus is "integrated", thats different than diversity of the demographics of a city. The demographics of the city of Cleveland are more diverse than Columbus. As are the suburbs of Cleveland compared to Columbus'. Cleveland is still segregated, like most cities, but there is mixed, integrated neighborhoods. That goes for the city and suburbs.

Columbus is segregated also to some degree. If you say Columbus, with the city and metro, is more integrated than Cleveland, I would agree with you though. However not by a lot. The city of Cleveland and the suburbs grew and matured in the 40s-70s when there was still a very segregated mentality in the country, a lot more than now. However, Cleveland has become more mixed and integrated. Columbus on the other hand grew a lot from the 80s to now and its still growing. The mentality now is a lot less segregated than back then so areas grew that way. There is a lot of areas in Columbus in the city and metro that are 90%+ one race though. Its not perfectly integrated my any means. Just some obvious examples are South Linden or Upper Arlington.

[WeSoHood]

Originally Posted by hillside

i'm tired of cleveland using this thread as a springboard, so i'll let this one die. columbus is a much better option for multicultural advancement than any other city in ohio. cleveland may be diverse, but you guys keep coming at me with SUBURBAN arguments. i specifically said the CITY of cleveland. cleveland may be the worst city not named detroit or new orleans. this does not make cleveland an attractive place, thus the diversity you claim is in the suburbs. suburbs are suburbs, from cleveland to cincinnati to baltimore to st. louis. i'm not sure why anybody would think otherwise.

Well Cleveland suburbs are far more diverse than Columbus. And suburbs are suburbs argument is absurd. Suburbs differ culturally from just about every city you've listed. Suburbs in Washington DC aren't anything like the suburbs of Cleveland, for example.

Comparing the actual cities themselves:

As of the 2000 Census,[5] there were 478,403 people, 190,638 households, and 111,904 families residing in the city. The population density was 6,166.5 people per square mile (2,380.9/km²). There were 215,856 housing units at an average density of 2,782.4 per square mile (1,074.3/km²). The racial makeup of the city was 50.99% Black or African American, 41.49% White, 1.35% Asian, 0.30% Native American, 0.04% Pacific Islander, 3.59% from other races, and 2.24% from two or more races. 7.26% of the population was Hispanic or Latino of any race.[1] Ethnic groups include Germans (9.2%), Irish (8.2% ), Poles (4.8%), Italians (4.6%), and English (2.8%). There are also substantial communities of Hungarians, Arabs, Romanians, Czechs, Slovaks, Greeks, Ukrainians, Albanians, Macedonians, Croats, Serbs, Lithuanians, Slovenes, Koreans, and Han Chinese. The presence of Hungarians within Cleveland proper was so great that the city once boasted the highest concentration of Hungarians in the world outside of Budapest.

As you can see... there are different ethnicities from all over the world. One might not know this if you haven't lived in the area for a while or know where these neighborhoods are.

Columbus:

As of the census[3] of 2000, there were 711,470 people, 301,534 households, and 165,240 families residing in the city. The population density was 3,383.6 people per square mile (1,306.4/km²). There were 327,175 housing units at an average density of 1,556.0/sq mi (600.8/km²). The racial makeup of the city was 67.93% White, 24.47% Black or African American, 0.29% Native American, 3.44% Asian, 0.05% Pacific Islander, 1.17% from other races, and 2.65% from two or more races. 2.46% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race. The top 5 largest ancestries include German (19.4%), Irish (11.7%), English (7.9%), American (7.2%), Italian (5.0%)[44].

That certainly does NOT seem any more diverse.

As you can see. Cleveland vs Columbus Cleveland % is higher for Blacks and Hispanics, only difference is Columbus has a measly 3.44% asian compared to Clevelands mere 1.5%... which is equaled out in the "Other Races" Where the stats are flipped.

I'm sorry hillside, but I don't understand your arguments. You seem to argue, just for the hell of it.

Even people from Columbus have said that it isn't some cultural melting pot - because it isn't. GeminiGal.. no one has bashed Columbus yet. Overall consensus is that it's a great city. If you think people calling out statistics to prove a point is "bashing" you are very delusional.