Pit bull ban (home owners insurance, home, live)

[gingerkitten]

Originally Posted by WeSoHood

My Aunt and Uncle who are both Doctors with 4 kids have 2. I visited friends at Miami, in Oxford and probably saw about 4 during my trip. What delinquents those Miami kids always turn out to be.

What you are trying to get across is this; the media portrays only ghetto/trailer trash as owning these dogs. Why? Because most pit bull attacks are done in areas where the dogs are mishandled and abused, therefor they are more prone to attacking - since pit bulls ARE genetically more aggressive. But that isn't to say that proper training and socialization don't work.. because it does. Only a small minority of pit bulls are violent towards humans and other dogs.

Finally, ignorance is bliss. Have a wonderful day

Sorry, long post coming up.

Yes. Proper training and socialization CAN work. Of course they can.

Picture a line showing all pet owners from the "absolute most responsible pet owners imaginable, who ensure their pets are thoroughly trained and socialized", moving through the "reasonably good pet owners whose general rule is one of "laissez-faire" ", right up to the far end, featuring the people who really shouldn't be allowed to own an animal of any kind.

Then try to imagine where the majority of people who actively want to own a pit bull above all other breeds would fall on that scale.

You know the would-be pit-bull owners are going to be heavily skewed towards the, erm, less responsible end of the spectrum. The people whose very reason for wanting to own such a dog is to look "hard", and because people will feel threatened by the dog. Not the dogs' fault, at all, but as you say, pit bulls "are genetically more aggressive". Yes, they are genetically MUCH more aggressive than the vast majority of breeds generally chosen as pets. But even with the most responsible of pet owners who do everything right, that allows for a far higher probability of the animal losing control. That likelihood is going to increase massively for the vast majority of "average" pet owners. And for the people at the far end of the "responsible pet owner" scale, the likelihood of something going horribly, horribly wrong increases the further you move towards the end of that scale.

Sorry, pitbull-loving folks, but you don't have me to blame for this, you can blame the fact that so many of the people who want to own pitbulls want them for the very fact that they are so volatile and potentially aggressive. I'm always hearing the argument about wanting a "good guard dog", but "good guard dog" is not synonymous with "dog that is inherently aggressive and vicious".

Of course there are pitbulls that are owned by responsible owners, and are dearly loved by the families who own them. But there is no doubt that even when the owners are doing everything 100% right, there is an increased chance that the dog is going to cause someone serious harm. Just multiply that likelihood by whatever factor you like going down the chain of responsible pet ownership. Mediocre pet owners can't do that much harm with a labrador retriever.

Honestly, I do feel very bad for the dogs. It is sad that an animal even exists in circumstances where its very breed makes it a target for euthanasia. It is not just some random prejudice, however, I CAN understand how owners of this breed of dog feel. Most will probably never hurt anyone given the right handling and no provocation - but even those who do cause serious harm were probably loving pets right up until that point.

[gingerkitten]

Originally Posted by WeSoHood

the media portrays only ghetto/trailer trash as owning these dogs.

Really?

Where I'm from, "the media" couldn't care less about these dogs or their owners until said dogs cause someone a serious injury. That's the point at which pitbulls will suddenly make the headlines, regardless of the social stratum occupied by the owner.

If the pets of Miami professors are not maiming anybody, why would you expect them to be making the headlines?

[HuskerDu]

Besides having a friend who had an eye bitten out as a result of playing with his long time pet pitbull in C-bus (yes this is the Columbus forum...not Maui), I thought this story would be nice one to share. Prepare yourself.

wgrz.com | Buffalo, NY | DNA Proves Pitbull Sexual Attack Possible

Ok... I just had to post the most ridiculous story on the planet.

[2006Buckeye]

I don't own a pitbull, but I certainly hope they don't ban the breed. Pitbulls can be wonderful pets. I know a few people who have had pitbulls and have not had any problems...and the people aren't trailer park or ghetto trash. It is unfortunate that so many ghetto people get "vicious breed" dogs, and don't give them proper care/egage in backyard breeding/dog fighting, etc. I would rather see a crackdown on enacting and enforcing spay/neuter laws, etc. I certainly hope there is a special place in hell for people who abuse animals.

I can't adopt another dog now, but I would be open to a mixed breed or pitbull when it is time to rescue the next furbaby. I could care less what people thought about my choice. I would be more concerned about my homeowner's insurance, but that's about it.

I don't really think there's any reason to make fun of "harley" and "hood" being part of the username, but while on the topic, "Husker" sounds like a redneck farm person. If you don't like pitbulls stick with terriers. And if you see or suspect someone is mistreating a pitbull or training it to be aggressive, report it to the proper authorities.

[HuskerDu]

Originally Posted by gingerkitten

Sorry, long post coming up.

Yes. Proper training and socialization CAN work. Of course they can.

Picture a line showing all pet owners from the "absolute most responsible pet owners imaginable, who ensure their pets are thoroughly trained and socialized", moving through the "reasonably good pet owners whose general rule is one of "laissez-faire" ", right up to the far end, featuring the people who really shouldn't be allowed to own an animal of any kind.

Then try to imagine where the majority of people who actively want to own a pit bull above all other breeds would fall on that scale.

You know the would-be pit-bull owners are going to be heavily skewed towards the, erm, less responsible end of the spectrum. The people whose very reason for wanting to own such a dog is to look "hard", and because people will feel threatened by the dog. Not the dogs' fault, at all, but as you say, pit bulls "are genetically more aggressive". Yes, they are genetically MUCH more aggressive than the vast majority of breeds generally chosen as pets. But even with the most responsible of pet owners who do everything right, that allows for a far higher probability of the animal losing control. That likelihood is going to increase massively for the vast majority of "average" pet owners. And for the people at the far end of the "responsible pet owner" scale, the likelihood of something going horribly, horribly wrong increases the further you move towards the end of that scale.

Sorry, pitbull-loving folks, but you don't have me to blame for this, you can blame the fact that so many of the people who want to own pitbulls want them for the very fact that they are so volatile and potentially aggressive. I'm always hearing the argument about wanting a "good guard dog", but "good guard dog" is not synonymous with "dog that is inherently aggressive and vicious".

Of course there are pitbulls that are owned by responsible owners, and are dearly loved by the families who own them. But there is no doubt that even when the owners are doing everything 100% right, there is an increased chance that the dog is going to cause someone serious harm. Just multiply that likelihood by whatever factor you like going down the chain of responsible pet ownership. Mediocre pet owners can't do that much harm with a labrador retriever.

Honestly, I do feel very bad for the dogs. It is sad that an animal even exists in circumstances where its very breed makes it a target for euthanasia. It is not just some random prejudice, however, I CAN understand how owners of this breed of dog feel. Most will probably never hurt anyone given the right handling and no provocation - but even those who do cause serious harm were probably loving pets right up until that point.

what this person said...

[Harley_man]

Originally Posted by HuskerDu

what this person said...

I'm sorry to break it you but a labador retriever can do alot of harm. My uncles retriever tore the face off of my cousin when she was 8. She had to have plastic surgery, and it was one of the saddest situations a family can go through, and yes I will repeat that it was a yellow labrador retriever. THe argument that a pit bull that is a family pet just out of nowhere goes crazy and starts attacking the family is very stupid. It's like saying I didn't know my kid was doing drugs. All the signs are there people just chose to ignore them because they are either lazy or ignorant. My screename is based on my favorite hobby(riding a motorcycle with my dad and brothers). I didn't know people would judge me personally based on my screename. If I have to deal with this ignorance imagine how bad it is for these poor pit bulls.

[HuskerDu]

Originally Posted by gingerkitten

Sorry, long post coming up.

Yes. Proper training and socialization CAN work. Of course they can.

Picture a line showing all pet owners from the "absolute most responsible pet owners imaginable, who ensure their pets are thoroughly trained and socialized", moving through the "reasonably good pet owners whose general rule is one of "laissez-faire" ", right up to the far end, featuring the people who really shouldn't be allowed to own an animal of any kind.

Then try to imagine where the majority of people who actively want to own a pit bull above all other breeds would fall on that scale.

You know the would-be pit-bull owners are going to be heavily skewed towards the, erm, less responsible end of the spectrum. The people whose very reason for wanting to own such a dog is to look "hard", and because people will feel threatened by the dog. Not the dogs' fault, at all, but as you say, pit bulls "are genetically more aggressive". Yes, they are genetically MUCH more aggressive than the vast majority of breeds generally chosen as pets. But even with the most responsible of pet owners who do everything right, that allows for a far higher probability of the animal losing control. That likelihood is going to increase massively for the vast majority of "average" pet owners. And for the people at the far end of the "responsible pet owner" scale, the likelihood of something going horribly, horribly wrong increases the further you move towards the end of that scale.

Sorry, pitbull-loving folks, but you don't have me to blame for this, you can blame the fact that so many of the people who want to own pitbulls want them for the very fact that they are so volatile and potentially aggressive. I'm always hearing the argument about wanting a "good guard dog", but "good guard dog" is not synonymous with "dog that is inherently aggressive and vicious".

Of course there are pitbulls that are owned by responsible owners, and are dearly loved by the families who own them. But there is no doubt that even when the owners are doing everything 100% right, there is an increased chance that the dog is going to cause someone serious harm. Just multiply that likelihood by whatever factor you like going down the chain of responsible pet ownership. Mediocre pet owners can't do that much harm with a labrador retriever.

Honestly, I do feel very bad for the dogs. It is sad that an animal even exists in circumstances where its very breed makes it a target for euthanasia. It is not just some random prejudice, however, I CAN understand how owners of this breed of dog feel. Most will probably never hurt anyone given the right handling and no provocation - but even those who do cause serious harm were probably loving pets right up until that point.

again...what this person said.

[Harley_man]

Originally Posted by huskerdu

again...what this person said.

yeeeeeeee haaaaaaaaaaaaa

[macsports2]

Originally Posted by acbvegas

ya i cant believe how ignorant people are i have a red nose pit bull and raised him since he was six weeks old and he has the best temperment of all the dogs i have owned it all depends on the owner and how the dog is raised in my opinion its more of nurture than nature that affects your animal. he lets my 3 and 5 year old cousins get away with murder with him and doesnt so much as growl and ever lets them pet him while hes eating. i feel they shouldnt be banned but if people abuse the priveledge of having a dog by fighting them etc etc they should lose the right to own one plane and simple not get rid of a breed all together

I agree with you. I have 2 red nosed pit bulls and they are awesome. The male is like a big baby. He will protect the family if he knows that they are being harmed in any way. He is great with my 4 kids 3, 5, 8, and 11 and loves to meet people. My female is the same way but is just hyper. Any dog can be vicious if not treated or raised right. They are not as bad as what people make them out to be. People like to take advantage of these dogs because of what they are known for in the past and up to today.

[Pitbullparent09]

Originally Posted by HuskerDu

Those examples have nothing to do with the general perception of the type of people who own these dogs.

Ok, so your saying I am the type of loser that has these dogs? Ok, I am sorry but I firmly believe that it is the deed not the breed. As a parent of a child that has been attacked by a dog... Pit bull none the less.
I understand it is not the breed. I personally had a pitbull when the attack happened. The attack was not by My dog, in fact it was by a friends dog who had been removed from an abusive household. Dont hate the type of dog. It is not their fault that they were raised wrong! What people do not understand is most of these "pitbull" attacks are not by PITBULLS!
They are by either Pitbull mix (aka someone didnt want to pay for fullblood and knew someone who was too lazy to keep theirs from improperly breeding!) secondly, most people can not identify a pitbull from other breeds and report the attacks as "pitbull" can you tell which is which?



Which one did you guess #1 or #2?
Guess what neither one!!!
yep thats right! #1 is a stafford shire terrier...#2 is American Bulldog!

The picture below is My pit, she is the Mother of a Pitbull who was taken in by the local SWAT team as an entry dog. The dog that she is lying with killed the neighbors cat! Go figure!


All I have to really say is please consider what you are saying when you say and do! These dogs are not all vicious killers so why ban all of them? In all reality the truth is people are scared. Until they are TRUTHFULLY educated you can not ask them to make an educated decision!

December 28, 2008 a mailman was brutally attacked by a black lab.
December 16, 2008 a child was mauled by a Cocker spaniel
December 12, 2008 a woman was bitten by another person's PUG
Copy and paste this link for more information on dog attacks and incidents in the world.

Punish the Deed, not the Breed!

Out of all the hype from dangerous breeds this one gets me the most.
California was one of the 1st states on the dangerous breed bandwagon, yet I still dont see Pomeranians banned yet!.....
[SIZE=+1]Pomeranian Kills 6-Week-Old Girl[/SIZE] September 21, 2001
LOS ANGELES (AP) - A small Pomeranian dog killed a 6-week-old baby while the infant's caretaker briefly left the child unattended to warm a bottle of milk, authorities said.
The relative, who was caring for the infant girl, found her head buried in the dog's mouth Saturday night, sheriff's Deputy Cruz Solis said. The girl died of head trauma at an area hospital, he said.
The baby's name was withheld because her parents were out of the country and had not been notified, Solis said.
The relative has not been charged. Animal control officers took the dog.
Pomeranians are a breed of miniature canines that have a foxlike face, pointy ears and long, fluffy hair. The deputy said Pomeranian attacks are rare.
``Obviously it doesn't take much to kill a 6-week old baby but it's not something that happens with that breed,'' Solis said.