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10-18-2009, 02:00 PM
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TRUST ME...I'm a firm believer that the government should NOT be limiting business, however, this case is signifgantly different. If people can't even smoke in a public restaurant or a BAR, then why should people be allowed to go out and gamble? That is much like waving a red flag in front of a bulls face. A person will be drawn in. The last thing Ohio needs right now is to legalize a moral that goes against not only popular religious beliefs and moral, but Ohio should not fall into the pit where we accept anything that is thrown on the plate. If we want to be taken seriously in the future, we as Ohioans must make sure that we have a consensus on set standards of high quality business.
By the way, the statistics of 34,000 jobs is not entirely true. Thats a dependant variable. It could be as low as 27,000 jobs according to the OhioBL. Plus, over half of those jobs (18,000) are construction jobs. So when the construction is done after six months, all of those people lose their jobs again. That could bring the number down to 9,000 actual jobs. All we're doing with this bill is signing a deal with the devil. Another note: Michigan's fourteen casinoes have all led to rising crime rates and lower income rates in local areas and have attributed to economic failure. Casinoes are the type of businesses that can flop very quickly and leave thousands unemployed.
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10-19-2009, 08:47 AM
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Not sure if it's a good or not, but one thing I am sure of is that it won't fix the City of Columbus budget problems. The City of Columbus has the most corruct and fiscally irresponsible government on the planet. Casino's will be band aid and a couple years later they will mis manage that money and will be in the same situation. Why is it that most of the cities that make up the suburbs such as Dublin, Upper Arlington, Hilliard, Gahanna, New Albany, etc... don't have nearly the kind of budget issues that Columbus has?
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10-19-2009, 03:33 PM
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The casinos won't only help Columbus, but the whole state of Ohio. It could have both a direct effect with the revenue going straight to Columbus and the overall revenue coming back to the state could help the economy, thus helping all of Ohio improve.
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10-19-2009, 03:46 PM
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Go to Hollywood/Argosy for a night and look at the people sitting at the slot machines.
Some of you really need to back away from the painting and look at the entire picture.
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10-20-2009, 06:59 AM
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People are going to gamble if they want to. There is nothing you or anyone else is going to do to stop them if that is what they want. It is not for you to decide what a person does with his time or money. I see a lot of concern about the problems this might cause people. Well guess what? We already have gambling here in Ohio and have for decades. It's called bingo, las vegas nights, poker clubs, the lottery, etc. You guys need to let people worry about their own problems.
For years Ohio has let hundreds of millions of dollars of revenue leave the state. It's stupid to continue to do so but at this point people really don't have the money to gamble like they once did so the revenue Ohio might get from casino's isn't going to be as high. I personally think issue 3 is stupid because it gives a monopoly to certain parties. The legislature is/was too cowardly to put a casino gambling issue on the ballot that would have an open bidding process and allow the state government to set the terms.
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10-20-2009, 09:27 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nickolaseposter
TRUST ME...I'm a firm believer that the government should NOT be limiting business, however, this case is signifgantly different. If people can't even smoke in a public restaurant or a BAR, then why should people be allowed to go out and gamble? That is much like waving a red flag in front of a bulls face. A person will be drawn in. The last thing Ohio needs right now is to legalize a moral that goes against not only popular religious beliefs and moral, but Ohio should not fall into the pit where we accept anything that is thrown on the plate. If we want to be taken seriously in the future, we as Ohioans must make sure that we have a consensus on set standards of high quality business.
By the way, the statistics of 34,000 jobs is not entirely true. Thats a dependant variable. It could be as low as 27,000 jobs according to the OhioBL. Plus, over half of those jobs (18,000) are construction jobs. So when the construction is done after six months, all of those people lose their jobs again. That could bring the number down to 9,000 actual jobs. All we're doing with this bill is signing a deal with the devil. Another note: Michigan's fourteen casinoes have all led to rising crime rates and lower income rates in local areas and have attributed to economic failure. Casinoes are the type of businesses that can flop very quickly and leave thousands unemployed.
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1.Can you give a resource of the statistics for the higher crime/lower income in Michigan that is the direct cause of casinos.
2.People can gamble if they want, they already do. It's called the lottery!
3. Don't bring religion in to this argument! 
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10-20-2009, 11:59 AM
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I agree that religion has absolutely and positively no place in this argument. Who are you to decide what is moral for me? We should just outlaw alcohol (again) and bars because that is also not moral. Believe me people make worse decision when they are drunk than when they are gambling.
I also do happen to agree that Casino's will bring filth to our city. I am not sure why it is, but every single casino I have been to seems to be in a pretty rough part of town. From Wheeling, to Detroit, to Windsor, to Vegas. Even Vegas has one of the worst crime rates in the country---http://vegasblog.latimes.com/vegas/2009/03/the-most-danger.html---- and if you were to visit you wouldn't say that Vegas is "rough".
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10-20-2009, 04:36 PM
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Have you ever gone to Tennessee or Indiana? From what I have found and heard, there are no issues with crime. I even heard anecdotal evidence that a man went to an Indiana casino looking to pick up a prostitute and there weren't any.
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10-20-2009, 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by rjd1650
Have you ever gone to Tennessee or Indiana? From what I have found and heard, there are no issues with crime. I even heard anecdotal evidence that a man went to an Indiana casino looking to pick up a prostitute and there weren't any.
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That's because many of the casinos in Indiana are in extremely small towns where there aren't enough people to generate the crime problem. There seems to be a much greater criminal element already present in the cities, and casinos tend to exacerbate and/or concentrate the problem in a particular area. In other words, the elements for crime are already in the cities and the casinos tend to act as a place to give these elements a place to prosper.
This of course doesn't mean it isn't possible for a casino to generate crime in a small town. Back in the early 1900's when there was gambling in French Lick/West Baden, IN Al Capone and all the gangsters from Chicago would come down to gamble. And as long as they were there gambling, they would participate in other illegal activities. Including prostitution.
Overall, I don't really have a problem with people gambling for entertainment. I just think it has some negative side effects and it really isn't the strongest way to supplement a budget. After all, more people lose money in these places than win, and that's just wasted money that isn't able to be invested in other aspects of the local economy.
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10-21-2009, 12:24 AM
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Legalize marijuana just so you can tax it if it's all about supplementing the budget.
How is California broke even with their casinos?
And MissingIndiana brought up a point I forgot to mention earlier about money being wasted at the casino instead of into the local economy.
It's funny how "they" say they aren't getting as much revenue now to build and repair roads because gas was getting so high that people were driving less. And, that cars now get much better gas mileage so people need to fill up less.
I swear it's one thing after another. Idiots complain that cars don't get enough MPG. Then once cars average 40MPG, they complain that they aren't getting enough tax revenues now from gas because people use less gas. There's a loophole to everything, regardless if the casino says they'll create XXX amount of jobs and put back XXX billions into the state from taxes. Do you honestly think they'd want to put in a casino in every big city of Ohio if they weren't going to come out on top? Now who's the big loser?
Technically, I'm for a free market. If people want to go there, that's fine. But we seem to live in a different time now where there IS NO personal responsibility. The lottery and gambling always attracts poor people hoping to hit it big. When they lose their rent money, or grocery money, they'll be picketing for Barack Obama to bail them out, protest against the WHITE owner of the casinos about how he/she is taking advantage of poor people, especially Blacks. Just remember the cases against liquor stores strategically located in poor neighborhoods.
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