Casino in Cbus (Toledo: bankrupt, casinos, homeless)

[rjd1650]

I'm not a huge fan of gambling, but I love the idea that the casinos will create jobs. I have a hard time believing the casinos will attract poor people. These casinos wouldn't be built to attract new gamblers. They would hopefully keep existing gamblers in Ohio. These people who travel to gamble usually aren't in the lower tax brackets, they wouldn't be able to afford the travel.

[coach123]

Keep in mind it's going to create temporary job from construction and low paying jobs. These will not be high paying positions. This will bring the average income in Columbus down further. Average income directly impacts cleanliness, crime, and quality of life.

[birdiebob]

casinos are like relatives....they are fun to visit for a few days, but after that it begins to get sticky.
IF ohio decides to open casinos( which are full of 8 dollar an hour jobs, no benefits to speak off, and work hours that vary ), then you guys should follow the
American Indians plan...just google that.
Basically the owners are the Indians, and they pay a small service fee to one of the casino management companies. the Indians own like 97%. At the Indian casinos, each local Indian gets a share of the casino, in addition to first dibs on the jobs that pay an average of 15 dollars an hour.
I live in Mississippi...the casinos started out on the river only, then moved inland. I have friends who work there full time and make 30k a year after 5 years. I have friends who go there for the 'fun'....one guy won 50k and has since put it all back into the casino coffers.

so ....good and bad.

[OSUGUY87]

Originally Posted by coach123

Keep in mind it's going to create temporary job from construction and low paying jobs. These will not be high paying positions. This will bring the average income in Columbus down further. Average income directly impacts cleanliness, crime, and quality of life.

This won't bring the avg income down, if these people don't have jobs now it is going to help them afford housing, food, etc.

[Seafood Guy]

Originally Posted by rjd1650

I'm not a huge fan of gambling, but I love the idea that the casinos will create jobs. I have a hard time believing the casinos will attract poor people. These casinos wouldn't be built to attract new gamblers. They would hopefully keep existing gamblers in Ohio. These people who travel to gamble usually aren't in the lower tax brackets, they wouldn't be able to afford the travel.

When is the last time you walked into a neighboring casino, whether it be in Indiana or West Virgina?

You'll have a few middle-upper to high rollers that go there for the novelty of it. They aren't there to become millionaires. Yes, you'll see more of them out in Las Vegas compared to here. But take a night and drive out to Hollywood/Argosy and look at the zombies at the slot machines and card tables. They aren't upper income people. They're low to middle tax bracket individuals.

And if you want some $8 an hour jobs, there are several. I work with dozens of restaurants, and they are hiring. Even at Subway. But I've seen more people quit at the Subways I frequent, simply because they'd don't want to work.

[Seafood Guy]

Originally Posted by OSUGUY87

This won't bring the avg income down, if these people don't have jobs now it is going to help them afford housing, food, etc.

So you're saying people are short on money now to afford housing, food, etc. But they'll have money to go gambling to create a job for the card dealer?

I don't know if you've gambled before, but the house always wins. And it doesn't matter if you win $10,000 tonight. You may not be back tomorrow, next week, or next month. But you'll be back, and you'll gamble whatever is left of that $10,000.

[OSUGUY87]

Originally Posted by Seafood Guy

So you're saying people are short on money now to afford housing, food, etc. But they'll have money to go gambling to create a job for the card dealer?

I don't know if you've gambled before, but the house always wins. And it doesn't matter if you win $10,000 tonight. You may not be back tomorrow, next week, or next month. But you'll be back, and you'll gamble whatever is left of that $10,000.

I'm saying these jobs will help the people that are currently unemployed.

Also if someone doesn't have the common sense to not waste their money at a casino then that sucks for them. If it passes I plan on going once, I'm certainly not going to spend more then I can afford. I also have the common sense to walk away when I have lost to much or when I'm up.

I really don't see what all the concern is about casinos, the immorality? Please thats absurd, I could care less what some book or anyone else thinks I or any other citizen should do!

[SteelersFan09]

I'm from Wheeling,WV and the Wheeling Casino is the only thing besides Cabela's keeping that city alive. Wheeling is considered both one of the poorest and safest metro areas in the United States by most major crime statistics reference points on the internet, including the UCR. It also is nowhere near the size of Columbus, but it does get a very large amount of business from the citizens (both good and bad ones) of Columbus,Cleveland,Detroit,Indianapolis, and formerly Pittsburgh (a new Casino on Pittsburgh's north side and a renovated in nearby Washington,PA put the kibosh on that). A casino in this city isn't going to turn Franklinton into Dublin. It's also not going to turn Grandview into Linden. Do Casinos increase crime? Typically, yes, although the amount of increased crime varies, depending on the city. They also typically increase the state's economy, sometimes even moreso than the city's. Because most of the higher crime cities near us will all have casinos as well if issue 3 passes, so the likelihood of those citizens coming into Columbus is reduced, and IMO, that points to the crime rate in Columbus won't change in large amounts. If crime and poverty are major concerns for you, than not building something likely isn't the best way to combat those two things.

I see both sides of the argument, but I'm for it.

[Seafood Guy]

Originally Posted by OSUGUY87

I'm saying these jobs will help the people that are currently unemployed.

Also if someone doesn't have the common sense to not waste their money at a casino then that sucks for them. If it passes I plan on going once, I'm certainly not going to spend more then I can afford. I also have the common sense to walk away when I have lost to much or when I'm up.

I really don't see what all the concern is about casinos, the immorality? Please thats absurd, I could care less what some book or anyone else thinks I or any other citizen should do!

An $8 or $10 an hour job isn't going to cover a mortgage payment, and everyday expenses.

So which casino have you been to in one of our neighboring states? Like SteelersFan09 says, Wheeling Island is the only thing keeping the city alive. If there are no jobs other than sweeping out hotel rooms, and dealing cards, where are people going to get the money to gamble?
Credit card balance transfer? Apply for credit with the casino? You really have to understand the mindset of poor people. Look at your own friends, and I'm sure you can pick out which ones are the poor ones. Then, examine their habits.

While I'm normally for the free market, it does have some faults, but it's still the best system out there. While I normally don't care what someone else is doing, I'm getting tired of people being completely irresponsible, and it always coming back to the tax payers.

If common sense minded people like you only go once or twice a year, how is that going to help the state's budget deficit? The casinos in surrounding states do well because there isn't much competition. But four casinos in the major cities of Ohio?

Legalize prostitution, marijuana, cocaine, and heroin. Collect taxes on all of those consumable goods and services. Who is anyone to judge someone that likes to entertain their vices once or twice a year?

[OSUGUY87]

Originally Posted by Seafood Guy

An $8 or $10 an hour job isn't going to cover a mortgage payment, and everyday expenses.

So which casino have you been to in one of our neighboring states? Like SteelersFan09 says, Wheeling Island is the only thing keeping the city alive. If there are no jobs other than sweeping out hotel rooms, and dealing cards, where are people going to get the money to gamble?
Credit card balance transfer? Apply for credit with the casino? You really have to understand the mindset of poor people. Look at your own friends, and I'm sure you can pick out which ones are the poor ones. Then, examine their habits.

While I'm normally for the free market, it does have some faults, but it's still the best system out there. While I normally don't care what someone else is doing, I'm getting tired of people being completely irresponsible, and it always coming back to the tax payers.

If common sense minded people like you only go once or twice a year, how is that going to help the state's budget deficit? The casinos in surrounding states do well because there isn't much competition. But four casinos in the major cities of Ohio?

Legalize prostitution, marijuana, cocaine, and heroin. Collect taxes on all of those consumable goods and services. Who is anyone to judge someone that likes to entertain their vices once or twice a year?

That's sure better then not having a job period!

I do think for Casinos is kinda much for Ohio to have, I don't think Toledo needs one.

I agree with you about legalizing prostitution and most drugs. I'm all for free markets! I could care less if someone blows their money on a prostitute, gambling, drugs, etc. They are adults and can do whatever they like with their income. Legalizing these goods/services and taxing them will help on many fronts; tax revenue, reduction of spending on the drug war( which hasn't done a damn thing).

That's just my .02

I'm glad we can have a civil debate, unlike some other posters and forums. Guess we will see soon what the rest of Ohio decides regarding casinos.