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Old 09-13-2010, 03:34 AM
 
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Why don't software vendors tell the truth when it comes to buying? Why don't they call it like it is and say renting rather than buying?

Saw a parallel with this where they said what the software companies do is the same thing as a car company telling you it's illegal to sell your car or trade it, all you can do is trash it and buy their latest model.

Sorry all, just ranting at how these companies have us over a barrel.
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Old 09-13-2010, 03:53 AM
 
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When you deal with the vendors directly, they usually do tell you the truth. Atleast the big ones like Microsoft do. They sell you licenses and are very clear about it when ordering direct.

In stores, you are buying the media, manual and license.

The term "rent" cannot be used because rent refers to temporary possession under a monetary agreement. In order to achieve possession (in terms of the law), the asset must be tangible. In regards to software licenses, you're typically granted permanent usage unless limited by the licensing agreement itself.
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Old 09-13-2010, 11:45 AM
 
Location: Central Texas
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Why don't software vendors tell the truth when it comes to buying? Why don't they call it like it is and say renting rather than buying?

Saw a parallel with this where they said what the software companies do is the same thing as a car company telling you it's illegal to sell your car or trade it, all you can do is trash it and buy their latest model.

Sorry all, just ranting at how these companies have us over a barrel.
You CAN sell software that you purchased. It is a bit of a headache for the new owner to register or activate it.

Software isn't like a car. A single copy can typically be used in multiple places (computers) simultaneously. So the "license" specifies the conditions under which it can be used. If you buy MS Office Home and Student - you buy one package, but can install it on up to three computers.

I think it is perfectly reasonable. You are not paying for the $1 CD it was distributed on. You are paying for the $millions it cost to develop, test, and maintain.
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Old 09-13-2010, 11:29 PM
 
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Reason I brought this up was something I read on a ruling by the 9th circuit court of appeals concerning the first sale doctrine. They ruled it is unavailable to those who are only licensed to use their copies. The way I read this is a software user is a licensee rather than an owner.

Agree 100% with conditions of use..... What I am saying is your ability to legally sell the copy of MS Office you bought to another person. That is illegal.
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Old 09-13-2010, 11:43 PM
 
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Agree 100% with conditions of use..... What I am saying is your ability to legally sell the copy of MS Office you bought to another person. That is illegal.
Correct and widely accepted. I don't see exactly what you are ranting.
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Old 09-14-2010, 12:08 AM
 
Location: Mableton, GA USA (NW Atlanta suburb, 4 miles OTP)
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Sorry all, just ranting at how these companies have us over a barrel.
Depending on what you do with your PC, you may have several options.

I've used a mix of free software, shareware, and older retail programs here for quite a long time as PC time goes. Even retail software licenses used to be fairly reasonable once upon a time.
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Old 09-17-2010, 09:27 AM
 
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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Agree 100% with conditions of use..... What I am saying is your ability to legally sell the copy of MS Office you bought to another person. That is illegal.
Is it TECHNICALLY illegal. Not sure it is IF you follow the correct steps.
If I buy Windows 7 Professional. Use it for 6 months. Uninstall it. That's key. I MUST uninstall it.
Then sell it to a friend. He installs it. Calls Microsoft to activate it.
This works.
It works with Office too as long as it isn't PRE-LOADED on a PC. IF you BUY the real copy, it may not be technically legal to sell it for profit but it most certainly CAN be moved to other computers.

Ebay prevents these kinds of sales because people WILL get ripped off if it was allowed.
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Old 09-17-2010, 12:59 PM
 
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Is it TECHNICALLY illegal. Not sure it is IF you follow the correct steps.
If I buy Windows 7 Professional. Use it for 6 months. Uninstall it. That's key. I MUST uninstall it.
Then sell it to a friend. He installs it. Calls Microsoft to activate it.
This works.
It works with Office too as long as it isn't PRE-LOADED on a PC. IF you BUY the real copy, it may not be technically legal to sell it for profit but it most certainly CAN be moved to other computers.

Ebay prevents these kinds of sales because people WILL get ripped off if it was allowed.
You can sell preloaded licenses as well. OEM licenses that is. You just have to sell it along with any or all of the hardware it came with. It is perfectly legal to sell the license along with the video card or some component of the computer. As long as it is sold with an original component of the original computer, it is legal.
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