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Old 10-01-2010, 01:46 AM
 
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The Feds are starting to work on moving to Windows 7 and Office 2010
The feds also have tons of money to squander. I don't want to hear about all the neat features Win7 brings to the table that WinXP didn't. How many of these new features are going to be used by the user?

Someone said it before me here: If it ain't broke don't fix it.

I used to work for the gov't and would hear the scare words:
~"but Microsoft won't support the OS anymore"

>My response? How many times have we had to contact Microsoft tech >support to fix a problem over the past three years? None, right?

~ "and there will be no more updates/hotfixes" to XP

>Hey, how about we teach our users what the most common security breaches are with XP? Cause as sure as the sun rises there will be just as many security problems with Win7...

For example, lets teach the XP staff:
Not to open mail that has a subject line of "I Love You"..... or open mail they have no clue who sent it.
Let's remove the floppy and CD drives from the users systems, all they are used for is music and pictures they bring in from home.

If XP still does the job and the shop has no outstanding issues with it so what if it expires.......

The US still has a limitless pig trough of money available to the fed departments, right?
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Old 10-01-2010, 07:03 AM
 
Location: HoCo, MD
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The feds also have tons of money to squander. I don't want to hear about all the neat features Win7 brings to the table that WinXP didn't. How many of these new features are going to be used by the user?

Someone said it before me here: If it ain't broke don't fix it.

I used to work for the gov't and would hear the scare words:
~"but Microsoft won't support the OS anymore"

>My response? How many times have we had to contact Microsoft tech >support to fix a problem over the past three years? None, right?

~ "and there will be no more updates/hotfixes" to XP

>Hey, how about we teach our users what the most common security breaches are with XP? Cause as sure as the sun rises there will be just as many security problems with Win7...

For example, lets teach the XP staff:
Not to open mail that has a subject line of "I Love You"..... or open mail they have no clue who sent it.
Let's remove the floppy and CD drives from the users systems, all they are used for is music and pictures they bring in from home.

If XP still does the job and the shop has no outstanding issues with it so what if it expires.......

The US still has a limitless pig trough of money available to the fed departments, right?
The reasoning above are extremely ignorant and shortsighted. lack of support/end of life is one primary reason to consider upgrading. Support isn't just "technical support". It's version updates, security patches, fixes; as well as the ability to actually run any new software you may need for your business.

And training your users (while extremely important) as a mitigation to running unsupported software is like telling people to simply dry their hair when they come out of the shower to prevent the flu.

Yes - the Fed is usually a lot less financially strapped (and even if they are, many vendors will discount the service/product if it means they can market the results). But at the very least - if a business decides to not upgrade, they should have at least done the cost/benefit analysis and know the risks (and consciously accept them) instead of just blindly ignoring them.
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Old 10-01-2010, 01:25 PM
 
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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I've been away while my wife gave birth to my son.


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No Amicus or Timeslips?
Timeslips. Which runs perfectly fine on our current systems.
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Old 10-01-2010, 01:48 PM
 
Location: WV and Eastport, ME
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I've been away while my wife gave birth to my son.



Timeslips. Which runs perfectly fine on our current systems.
Congratulations!
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Old 10-03-2010, 09:19 AM
 
Location: New Kensington (Parnassus) ,Pa
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The feds also have tons of money to squander. I don't want to hear about all the neat features Win7 brings to the table that WinXP didn't. How many of these new features are going to be used by the user?

Someone said it before me here: If it ain't broke don't fix it.

I used to work for the gov't and would hear the scare words:
~"but Microsoft won't support the OS anymore"

>My response? How many times have we had to contact Microsoft tech >support to fix a problem over the past three years? None, right?

~ "and there will be no more updates/hotfixes" to XP

>Hey, how about we teach our users what the most common security breaches are with XP? Cause as sure as the sun rises there will be just as many security problems with Win7...

For example, lets teach the XP staff:
Not to open mail that has a subject line of "I Love You"..... or open mail they have no clue who sent it.
Let's remove the floppy and CD drives from the users systems, all they are used for is music and pictures they bring in from home.

If XP still does the job and the shop has no outstanding issues with it so what if it expires.......

The US still has a limitless pig trough of money available to the fed departments, right?
I agree, some people just have to have the latest bells and whistles. XP works fine for me.
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Old 10-03-2010, 09:34 AM
 
Location: Cary, NC
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I've been away while my wife gave birth to my son.




Timeslips. Which runs perfectly fine on our current systems.
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Congratulations!

Ditto!
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Old 10-04-2010, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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Thanks guys!!
Mom and baby doing well.
__________

Let's talk about the other option I have to upgrade my 45 computers to Win7.
If I just replace all my workstations. Let's say we get basic desktop PC's with Win7 Business.

$600 x 45 = $27,000.
And that includes reinstalling Office 2003 that we currently own on them all.
Add Office 2010 at $300/each (and that's on the low end) that's another $13,500.

$40,000? Really? That's a large expense for a small business.
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