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Old 05-20-2011, 10:05 PM
 
Location: Coos Bay, Oregon
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Sure it does. The software intends to do harm and it gets installed under false pretenses. There's a social engineering component involved, but this is malware.
No, it is not malware, by your definition. This software does no harm to any computer. Therefore it is not malware. It's just a typical credit card scam.
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Old 05-20-2011, 11:29 PM
 
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No, it is not malware, by your definition. This software does no harm to any computer. Therefore it is not malware. It's just a typical credit card scam.
You're really splitting hairs here. Similar malware for Windows is no different. The computer isn't harmed and no data is lost. Depending on the malware, it will either pester you with popups for their "product" or you may be unable to run apps until you pay. Once you pay or remove the program (often as easy as removing two items in msconfig), your computer is fully functional again.
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Old 05-21-2011, 02:27 AM
 
Location: Coos Bay, Oregon
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You're really splitting hairs here. Similar malware for Windows is no different. The computer isn't harmed and no data is lost. Depending on the malware, it will either pester you with popups for their "product" or you may be unable to run apps until you pay. Once you pay or remove the program (often as easy as removing two items in msconfig), your computer is fully functional again.
Um, so what you are saying is that this Mac "malware" scare is a non-issue? Nothing more then a very minor inconvenience to those few who are stupid enough to install it on their computer. And this "sky is falling" for Mac users talk is all just a bunch of FUD disseminated by rabid Mac hating PC fanboi trolls.
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Old 05-21-2011, 07:24 AM
 
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Once you pay or remove the program (often as easy as removing two items in msconfig), your computer is fully functional again.
The new strains of crap coming out are changing tactics and are actually altering the OS. The last 2 weeks I've been bombarded at my shop with a new one that marks every file and directory on the hard drive as hidden, locks the desktop, disables task manager, removes the autoupdate service, and moves the "all user" and logged in users Start> Programs data to a folder in the temp directory. It's no longer as simple as disabling the nasty in msconfig.

It takes far longer to fix the damage than it does to remove the crapware, and they seem to be updating it regularly, I send samples to virustotal.com, and detection rates were lower this week than last week.
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Old 05-21-2011, 09:47 AM
 
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This incident just proves how gullible mac users really are. They buy a mac because they claim it is immune to all this stuff. Then they get a popup saying their system is infected, they panic and fall for the scam. If their system is really immune, shouldn't they have just been like "pssh, lies, my system is invincible" when they saw the popup?
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Old 05-21-2011, 11:33 AM
 
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The new strains of crap coming out are changing tactics and are actually altering the OS. The last 2 weeks I've been bombarded at my shop with a new one that marks every file and directory on the hard drive as hidden, locks the desktop, disables task manager, removes the autoupdate service, and moves the "all user" and logged in users Start> Programs data to a folder in the temp directory. It's no longer as simple as disabling the nasty in msconfig.

It takes far longer to fix the damage than it does to remove the crapware, and they seem to be updating it regularly, I send samples to virustotal.com, and detection rates were lower this week than last week.
Disabling task manager, regedit, changing registry keys to prevent changing desktop wallpaper, associating itself with .exe files, etc. is nothing new. I've been dealing with that in various combinations for years and have a collection of things to deal with them. I have seen a few lately where the user profile is marked as hidden which is new to me. I haven't seen any files get moved yet. Are they in the userprofile temp, Windows temp, or somewhere else? I have heard online about some malware that actually encrypts the users files and holds the key for ransom. It would definitely suck to get hit with that but I haven't actually seen that for myself.

I have seen Windows Update get hosed with the same error message lately but the fix is to re-register a .dll so that's pretty simple. Windows Update getting messed up in one form or another isn't exactly new but since I've seen the same error message several times now on machines that were infected, I suspect its from the malware.

I didn't mean to imply that all PC malware is as easy to remove as msconfig'ing it out, although I've seen a lot of really amateurish and easy to remove stuff lately. There's definitely some crap that's just about impossible to remove. Or removing it breaks Windows. That's always fun. I do get frustrated sometimes and just say F it and reformat but those are the minority. I've never lost any data from a malware infection and of course the hardware itself isn't harmed.
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Old 05-21-2011, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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This incident just proves how gullible mac users really are. They buy a mac because they claim it is immune to all this stuff. Then they get a popup saying their system is infected, they panic and fall for the scam. If their system is really immune, shouldn't they have just been like "pssh, lies, my system is invincible" when they saw the popup?
That incident does not prove anything more than both PC and Mac users fall for the same scams.
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Old 05-22-2011, 02:44 AM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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As usual this type of thread degenerates into the usual name calling BS....
That's true. For example, I use both PC and Macs at a very large university media lab. While most of the malware, viruses and such are designed to affect the PC more than the Mac, it does not mean that Macs are immune to malware and spyware. But most problems with such, regardless of computer platform being used, is the result of not being careful all the time. One can be a little tired or sleepy and open some malicious trap by accident, and this can happen to anybody be it a Mac or PC user.

A great number of malware and spyware can be encountered around porno websites, or anywhere were one is offered downloadable movie clips, "supposedly" interesting photos, and other stuff. For example, when Bin Laden was killed, some people were falling for adds about free photos of dead Bin Laden without knowing that it was some malware (maybe a virus?). Since there are more PC's than Macs, more PC users are falling for these little traps than Mac users. It's a simple as that.

All the arguments about one group of users being smarter or dumber than the rest makes no sense to me.
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Old 05-22-2011, 11:36 AM
 
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Um, so what you are saying is that this Mac "malware" scare is a non-issue? Nothing more then a very minor inconvenience to those few who are stupid enough to install it on their computer. And this "sky is falling" for Mac users talk is all just a bunch of FUD disseminated by rabid Mac hating PC fanboi trolls.
Just like "malware" scares in general, right?

Provided that you use a limited user account, any operating system is secure enough for everyday home computing. That's the reality.
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Old 05-22-2011, 08:44 PM
 
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As with most stories Mac-related, the malware-is-finally-coming story attracted a lot of press.
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But the "security by obscurity" explanation for the relatively low levels of Mac malware assumes only a two-player OS game: Windows and Mac. There are at least three other players in the game if you include smartphone and mobile operating systems: iOS, Android and Symbian. All of these have vastly larger installed bases than the Mac. As such, they ought to be more attractive than the Mac.
Don't Panic Over the Latest Mac Malware Story | SecurityWeek.Com

There is a good point in this article, maybe PC's and Mac's are or will soon take back stage in the malware/worm/trojan/virus targeting to other devices.

Then we'll all have to go to another forum and point fingers and praise "our" OS and call the other person fanbois, stupid, ignorant rabid, having their heads in the sand etc....

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