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Old 06-17-2011, 09:53 AM
 
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Yes but when you go somewhere don't you like to find an open connection? Besides I do not wish to make the phone or cable company any richer than they are already.
Or finding someone left their credit card on top of a gas pump so you use their CC instead of your card and get a tankful of free gas.

(I have found were someone left their CC on top of the gas pump, but I turned it in to the station attendant)
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Old 06-17-2011, 10:02 AM
 
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Well said
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Old 06-20-2011, 01:48 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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If your WiFi is not secured, and someone that connects does something illegal, such as downloading copyrighted material, downloads or uploads kiddy porn, harasses or bullies someone on the internet, sends threatening messages or emails to an elected official, and more

Guess what, it looks just like you did it, as it links directly back to YOUR account and public IP address, which is easily obtained by law enforcement agencies.
But if you have wi-fi and it is unprotected, the burden of proof is still on the prosecution to show that it was you who committed any illegal act. Your defense is to just say "Prove it".

The Founding Fathers were way ahead of you on that one.

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No password protection and you're giving a free ride to some scum who won't pay their own way.
You're kind of loose with the word 'scum'. My neighbors are not scum, they are just low income and are tired of being ripped off, so I wouldn't mind a bit if they hopped aboard my wi-fi---which I pay for and have a right to make it available to whomever wishes to access it. If I had a security light in my back yard, it would never occur to me to call my neighbors 'scum' because they enjoy the protection of my light.

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Old 06-20-2011, 07:44 AM
 
Location: Maryland not Murlin
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Or finding someone left their credit card on top of a gas pump so you use their CC instead of your card and get a tankful of free gas.

(I have found were someone left their CC on top of the gas pump, but I turned it in to the station attendant)
I have never been able to "just use" one of my CCs or bank card at the pump. Every time, at every pump, I was prompted to enter
the pin number, zip code, or some other "identifying" number before the transaction went through.

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If your WiFi is not secured, and someone that connects does something illegal, such as downloading copyrighted material, downloads or uploads kiddy porn, harasses or bullies someone on the internet, sends threatening messages or emails to an elected official, and more

Guess what, it looks just like you did it, as it links directly back to YOUR account and public IP address, which is easily obtained by law enforcement agencies.
Every computer has its own MAC address. Yes, the MAC address can be spoofed, but still, each computer has one. Also, the wifi router assigns an IP address to each device connected to it so it knows which computer to send the data packets. So the wifi router will assign your neighbor's computer is own unique IP address that will not be linked to any of your own computers.

Yes, it might be an annoyance when the police come to your door, but it is not like you will be the one doing time in prison.
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Old 06-20-2011, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Wandering.
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I wouldn't mind a bit if they hopped aboard my wi-fi---which I pay for and have a right to make it available to whomever wishes to access it.
You probably don't have that right. If you read the contract (or TOS) that you signed or agreed to with your ISP, they probably specifically prohibit giving or selling the service to your neighbors.

I'm not saying that they could catch you, just that most specifically prohibit it.
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Old 06-20-2011, 11:24 AM
 
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I have never been able to "just use" one of my CCs or bank card at the pump. Every time, at every pump, I was prompted to enter
the pin number, zip code, or some other "identifying" number before the transaction went through.


Every computer has its own MAC address. Yes, the MAC address can be spoofed, but still, each computer has one. Also, the wifi router assigns an IP address to each device connected to it so it knows which computer to send the data packets. So the wifi router will assign your neighbor's computer is own unique IP address that will not be linked to any of your own computers.

Yes, it might be an annoyance when the police come to your door, but it is not like you will be the one doing time in prison.
You haven't traveled around here, then. The only time I ever get asked for my zip code is when I'm in a different state a long way from home. I never have to enter it here or on trips to Milwaukee, Chicago, Omaha, Kansas City, etc.
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Old 06-20-2011, 11:58 AM
 
Location: Wandering.
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You haven't traveled around here, then. The only time I ever get asked for my zip code is when I'm in a different state a long way from home. I never have to enter it here or on trips to Milwaukee, Chicago, Omaha, Kansas City, etc.
This probably has more to do with the software installed on the pumps than it does with where you live. Do you use the same brand of station a lot, or do you pay with debit using a PIN?
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Old 06-20-2011, 12:22 PM
 
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I have never been able to "just use" one of my CCs or bank card at the pump. Every time, at every pump, I was prompted to enter
the pin number, zip code, or some other "identifying" number before the transaction went through.

Every computer has its own MAC address. Yes, the MAC address can be spoofed, but still, each computer has one. Also, the wifi router assigns an IP address to each device connected to it so it knows which computer to send the data packets. So the wifi router will assign your neighbor's computer is own unique IP address that will not be linked to any of your own computers.

Yes, it might be an annoyance when the police come to your door, but it is not like you will be the one doing time in prison.
In NJ, no identifiable information is needed at the pumps... but that's because all of our gas stations are full-service.

As with the MAC address, only the router will know the internal IP assigned to each MAC address. If the lease has expired and the NAT tables have been flushed, then there is often no record of which computers have connected. Most routers have logs disabled by default.
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Old 06-20-2011, 12:23 PM
 
Location: Maryland not Murlin
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You haven't traveled around here, then. The only time I ever get asked for my zip code is when I'm in a different state a long way from home. I never have to enter it here or on trips to Milwaukee, Chicago, Omaha, Kansas City, etc.
Maybe it is just the particular gas station. I don't get gas from this place often, but when I use a CC, I am prompted to enter the zip code of the billing address the CC is registered to.

It was/is an American Express, so maybe that is something from their end? I have been to all of the locations listed. I used to live in Lawrence, KS. and Minneapolis, and been to all cities you mentioned numerous times. I just never been able to simply swipe a card and begin pumping gas at the pump.
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Old 06-20-2011, 01:12 PM
 
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But if you have wi-fi and it is unprotected, the burden of proof is still on the prosecution to show that it was you who committed any illegal act. Your defense is to just say "Prove it".

The Founding Fathers were way ahead of you on that one.
True, and the accept the challange, and haul every computer, external drive, thumb drive, etc. in your home in as "evidence" and keep it until their computer people can take a look to see if you are guilty.

Oh yea, they haul you in also, but you can likely bond out, but your name and face will be in the local newspaper or TV as a pedophile arrested for child porn.

Ask the people that have experience this as detailed in this news article NY case underscores Wi-Fi privacy dangers - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110424/ap_on_hi_te/us_wi_fi_warning - broken link)


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You're kind of loose with the word 'scum'. My neighbors are not scum, they are just low income and are tired of being ripped off, so I wouldn't mind a bit if they hopped aboard my wi-fi---which I pay for and have a right to make it available to whomever wishes to access it. If I had a security light in my back yard, it would never occur to me to call my neighbors 'scum' because they enjoy the protection of my light.
OK, your neighbors are nice people. But what about the nephew of one of them that comes to spend a weekend with them, or the guy that simply drives into your neighborhood, and spends 20 minutes up/downloading kiddy porn.
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