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Old 07-25-2011, 02:04 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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IMHO, as long as you aren't going to overclock, the stock air coolers are fine.

I can't hear the stock cooler on my Phenom II X4 system, due to my Seasonic S12II power supply being much louder than I expected (I've had Antecs that were quieter, but the last two I had emitted a high pitch whine which was worse than fan noise, so I gave up on them). But the CPU fan speed varies with load, so most of the time it is running at low speed and almost inaudible.
Oh yes, high-pitched noise is awful, makes you feel like having Tinnitus. Since I will use my computer for making music (among other things) I will get a silent power supply, so I guess I won't be as "lucky" as you

My old Athlon 3700 is also cooled by the stock cooler, has worked fine all those years and is not loud at all. But then again, that processor is old and slow...

My cheap no-name power supply is very quiet and has never failed in 6 years or so, amazing So many people complain about their power supplies breaking, even expensive brand devices (sure, you can return it, but it sucks when you need your computer). The trick might be to buy a cheap no-name power supply whose rated max. wattage is much higher than what the PC can ever demand, maybe 200 to 300W higher. This way a mediocre power supply is never put to the test.
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Old 07-25-2011, 02:30 PM
 
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The trick might be to buy a cheap no-name power supply whose rated max. wattage is much higher than what the PC can ever demand, maybe 200 to 300W higher. This way a mediocre power supply is never put to the test.
Not true.

The REAL trick is to find a PSU with 12v rail (or rails) that is fat enough to handle all your stuff reliably. Wattage doesn't mean anything if you're running on a 15 amp rail That's the problem with these cheap no-name PSUs.......yeah they have wattage, but firstly they don't have a great efficiency rating (hello high electricity bill, nice to meet you) and secondly they have terribly rated 12v rails. Plus more often than not they have several small rails, and normally people grab a single strand of connectors and connect everything together, so yeah you might have 30amps of combined rails, but if you're only using one rail to connect everything, you're wasting potential and risking your equipment's lifespan.
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Old 07-25-2011, 02:50 PM
 
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Hm, I am no electrician. What in the usual psu specs tells me if a psu has one or more fat enough 12V rails?
In terms of efficiency, the 80+ certificate is good, right?
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Old 07-25-2011, 03:11 PM
 
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80+ is fine, it's the standard. Typically fly-by-night PSU manufacturers don't really hold up to the 80+ cert, but it's all speculation from my end, I don't do the tests like anandtech does.

Your rails should be listed on the side of the PSU. Should have a few, like 3.3v, 5v, -5v, 12v, -12v, yada yada.
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Old 07-26-2011, 11:15 AM
 
Location: Silicon Valley
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Oh yes, high-pitched noise is awful, makes you feel like having Tinnitus. Since I will use my computer for making music (among other things) I will get a silent power supply, so I guess I won't be as "lucky" as you
Just to clarify, for my most recent budget build I had bought an Antec Earthwatts 380D from Amazon and an Antec 430D from Fry's, and both exhibited the high pitch whine, so I returned both and got full refunds, then bought the Seasonic S12II.
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Old 07-26-2011, 11:34 AM
 
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Just to clarify, for my most recent budget build I had bought an Antec Earthwatts 380D from Amazon and an Antec 430D from Fry's, and both exhibited the high pitch whine, so I returned both and got full refunds, then bought the Seasonic S12II.
Well, they sell different brands over here anyway, I guess I will get a Be Quiet Straight Power psu with 450W and 88% efficiency, seems very solid and got great reviews. I'll only have the motherboard, processor, hard disk and DVD drive, no cards, so it should be enough.
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Old 08-04-2011, 02:56 PM
 
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My components are on their way
Since I will turn off the 3-core turbo function (from 3.3 to 3.7GHz) and only slightly overclock all six cores (from 3.3 to 3.5GHz) instead, I opted for the boxed cooler. If it's too loud, I can still buy a better one.
Also ordered a 500W power supply by Chieftec, a German company, so hopefully it is robust and provides enough juice
The tables (http://www.chieftec.eu/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=449 - broken link) are in English, but they don't tell me much anyway
This will be my first computer that doesn't have a floppy drive
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Old 08-04-2011, 04:36 PM
 
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OOOOOOH post pics and stuff when you build it I always get giddy when someone's building a new pc
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Old 08-04-2011, 06:42 PM
 
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Old 08-04-2011, 09:18 PM
 
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:O your CPU cooler looks like mine

(please excuse my messy lazy wiring and dusty components)

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