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Old 01-20-2012, 05:40 AM
 
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Having a brother who used to own a rcording studio, I have found that today's recordings are so well balanced, that with a good digital receiver, and very good speakers, you only need to balance the sound level from the speakers proportionately to the room in which you are listening to the music. I generally leave the bass, mid-range, and treble flat so that I don't influence how the sound was meant by the studio to be heard.
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Old 01-20-2012, 05:45 AM
 
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The biggest issue is the mastering, they jack the amplification up and you lose all the nuances.
If you use a compressor/limiter during mastering, you can lose a lot of nuance. That said, there are times when using a compressor/limiter
makes a positive contribution, so it generally falls to the sound engineer to figure out when to use it.
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Old 01-20-2012, 07:35 AM
 
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Many high quality loudspeakers have EQ circuitry built into their crossovers to voice the speakers. Evidently EQ is OK with audiophiles when they don't know it's there. That also goes for the RIAA EQ in the phono stage.

EQ can be used to solve problems of tonal balance. If one has no such problems fine. If you do it may be better to solve the problem in a practical manner than to stand on dogma and not solve the problem. Many older audiophiles can use a little boost in the highs as can people with damaged hearing.

There's nothing more pathetic than an anxious audiophile rapping Bose, saying "Blose" and other unclever nonsense. This is done in order to feel in the club, to hopefully show one's audiophile credentials.
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Old 01-20-2012, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Richardson, TX
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There's nothing more pathetic than an anxious audiophile rapping Bose, saying "Blose" and other unclever nonsense. This is done in order to feel in the club, to hopefully show one's audiophile credentials.
Oh, so sorry you feel that way. So there's this club? You can get "credentials?" Oh no, did you just buy a Blo$e system? Did you buy some Monster Cable to connect those speakers, too?

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Old 01-20-2012, 08:53 AM
 
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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Bunch of music snobs. lol
"I want to hear it the way the artist intended".
Really? I DON'T and I am not afraid to say so. I LOVE cymbals. I want to hear every tap tap tap of the cymbal. So I like to increase the treble or the higher edge of the EQ.
Or I want to hear the bass line better. Sometimes it can be hard to pick out "as the artist intended it".


EQ's are nice but as someone said I can usually find a "preset tone" to accomplish what I want.
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Old 01-20-2012, 09:34 AM
 
Location: San Antonio
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Oh, so sorry you feel that way. So there's this club? You can get "credentials?" Oh no, did you just buy a Blo$e system? Did you buy some Monster Cable to connect those speakers, too?
My, you are the anxious one.

I've been in this hobby over 40 years and owned Altec VOTs (A7-500s and A5s), 9844s and Model 19s as well as various B&Ws, JBLs, EVs, KLHs, Magnepans, Klipsches, Martin Logans, Fostexes, TangBands, Dynaudios, Monitor Audios, KRKs and so on. And a wide variety of tube and SS electronics. And yeah, I do use some Monster cable.

I know enough about this hobby to relax and be tolerant of those with different taste in sound and gear than mine.
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Old 01-20-2012, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Central Texas
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Many high quality loudspeakers have EQ circuitry built into their crossovers to voice the speakers. Evidently EQ is OK with audiophiles when they don't know it's there. That also goes for the RIAA EQ in the phono stage.

EQ can be used to solve problems of tonal balance. If one has no such problems fine. If you do it may be better to solve the problem in a practical manner than to stand on dogma and not solve the problem. Many older audiophiles can use a little boost in the highs as can people with damaged hearing.

There's nothing more pathetic than an anxious audiophile rapping Bose, saying "Blose" and other unclever nonsense. This is done in order to feel in the club, to hopefully show one's audiophile credentials.
The voicing of a loudspeaker is simply producing the sound desired by the designer. In most cases it is done to overcome faults in the drivers themselves or compensate for the cabinet or room. Very few high quality speakers actually use passive components to alter the frequency response like an EQ does.

As for Bose, there are good reasons to make fun of them. Most of all they are very expensive and overhyped. They are constructed of cheap parts. They excel for ease of use. Have you seen the Bose TV? $5400 for a 46 inch LCD with a double portion of the clock radio sound system.

It is silly on your part to include RIAA EQ. This thread is about graphic equalizers and perhaps tone controls. RIAA EQ is just the mirror image compensation required to negate the effects of the EQ applied during disk mastering. You know there is not choice in this - and the RIAA EQ is done to allow practical record groove excursion and reduce high frequency noise.
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Old 01-20-2012, 09:54 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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The biggest issue is the mastering, they jack the amplification up and you lose all the nuances.


Why I Don't Buy "Remastered" CDs. - YouTube


Metallica Death Magnetic - How to lose the Loudness War - YouTube
Ha. I love how the viewer/listener in the first video is instructed to "listen to this on good speakers" -- and the "this" refers to a track that's compressed to, what, 128kbps?
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Old 01-20-2012, 09:55 AM
 
Location: San Antonio
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The voicing of a loudspeaker is simply producing the sound desired by the designer. In most cases it is done to overcome faults in the drivers themselves or compensate for the cabinet or room. Very few high quality speakers actually use passive components to alter the frequency response like an EQ does.
The use of passive components to voice speakers is EQ nonetheless.

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As for Bose, there are good reasons to make fun of them. Most of all they are very expensive and overhyped. They are constructed of cheap parts.
Audiophiles are very selective about which overpriced products they make fun of. I'd rather make fun of of audiophile approved mini-monitors that cost several thousand dollars and use drivers from the Parts Express and Madisound catalogs.

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It is silly on your part to include RIAA EQ. This thread is about graphic equalizers and perhaps tone controls. .
I was addressing the notion held by many audiophiles that EQ in and of itself is a bad thing. This ties in with my statement about EQ in crossover networks.
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Old 01-20-2012, 09:56 AM
 
Location: Richardson, TX
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My, you are the anxious one.

I've been in this hobby over 40 years and owned Altec VOTs (A7-500s and A5s), 9844s and Model 19s as well as various B&Ws, JBLs, EVs, KLHs, Magnepans, Klipsches, Martin Logans, Fostexes, TangBands, Dynaudios, Monitor Audios, KRKs and so on. And a wide variety of tube and SS electronics. And yeah, I do use some Monster cable.

I know enough about this hobby to relax and be tolerant of those with different taste in sound and gear than mine.
The anxious one? Hardly...however, I am the Chuckling one. You've been in this hobby for how long? 40 years? That is surprising, you sound like you have only been around for 12. Are you the President of this credentialed club? You know, if you have to list your inventory to try to impress, then maybe your anxiety is showing, and now you've got your panties in a wad. Sorry, I am not interested in d*** measuring with you. Anyone can buy this stuff. I am more into the designing and building end of the hobby. I will even sell you a nice 2-way design, if the price is right, of course.

Have you tried the coat-hanger test with those moster cables?

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